He is a big dog wise. He sits on the chain around 50lbs, but none of his kids are that big though. I'm thinking $500 and a pup if I like the way the gyp is bred, $750 if I don't like how the gyp is bred. His littermate died after winning his 4th. Im sure there were other winners in the first litter as well, but I'm not sure where they ended up.