The guy who takes his time and spends time with the dogs , I got a dog for free because he "wouldn't " start .. He was two yrs old . I kept him as a pet for another 8 months he became a 2xw , I had a daughter of dead lift same deal , she was my daughters dog she had no mouth she won 1 and showed extreme game ness . I always kept less dogs than I had space they all got house and family time and I think they performed better for me than the prior owner because of it ... Made ch. show time a ch she had no ability , made ch . Morena a ch. she had no mouth etc etc our kennel motto is we do more with less ...