The guy who coldly goes through em and only wants the best?
The guy who really tries to bring out the best in each dog?
Id like to be a combo. I'm always thinking of things that might be giving my dog an edge. Every dog in the yard has earned to be brought up to his full potential. There are other dogmen that would be able to get more out of the dogs, im sure. I'm not that high on myself. We can only do our absolute best for every dog every time. But if a dog doesn't work out. Get rid of it. Ending up with to many dogs will kill your progress.
Ditto Top shelf kennels & CA Jack. Some advice I use to give to a upcoming young dog man. Was not to go looking for the top dog man to pull with in the beginning and learning stages. But to meet as many dog men and note the condition of their dog yards and over all health of their dogs.
See a un kept yard and dogs not up to par. Set up a dog pulling show with that person. If they have the pull weight you want to go with. Better to learn and practice on this type dog man than a seasoned dog man practicing on you. LOL If person is to lazy to take care of the dogs properly will be to lazy to work one right. But make sure to wash the dogs and have a fee that is forfeited for not being on time for weigh in. Or coming in over weight.
Something else to consider, whether a newbie or a seasoned dog man.. No matter how good of a look you took of your dog in the schooling phase. Best to do a cheap or reasonable dog pulling fee on the first event. No matter how good a dog pulls in the schooling. Under dog pulling show conditions on the first go. Anything might happen. Never pay a entry fee you cannot afford to lose. Cheers
damn im the only one who voted the.other way? if the fucker dont got it you shouldn't show them plain n simple.you cant.add.talent or.gameness so if you bring out the best in a bum its still.gonna be a bum. you gonna have the best bum possible lol. no.excuses.as soon as you have a reason not to show him you should cull him. im not.going.to breed.a.bum.just cause its breed a certain.way theres.enuff hounds thst have the ped and performance to not.hang onto.a hound that doesnt cut it. if you dont believe they can compete with the best in the world then they dont belong. go thtough them and when u get that world beater.that is when you put YOUR best into a hound that deserves it. you.dont take a ugly bitch out for steak and lobster do you? im not.talking.bout taking care of your hounds to the best of your ability we should always strive for that.
There is nothing wrong with this concept, per se. This approach can lead to early culls. For me bad signs are bad signs and that is all I need to see. If my dogs were rated on a 1-10 scale I am not culling all the 7's and 8's while waiting for the 9's and 10's. With the 9's and 10's I am betting on my dogs. With the 7's and 8's I am betting on me, what I think I can do with that dog and then in the end I am betting on the dog. That is how I took the question. I am thinking my abilities will get that 7 and 8 dog to a successful spot.
My take on the question was is the better dog man the one that will work with that 7 or 8 dog or the one that knocks them in the head in hopes for the 9's or 10'. I voted for the guy who can wait and put in the time. EWO
Originally Posted by ToTheDogs
You are only 1 of 2 who voted the other way, while 29 voted the more sensible way.
So you would cull Little Tater, who was the game bum that produced Gr Ch Buck? Or Long's Werdo, who was the game bum that produced Ch Doogie, Ch Rutkus, Ch Rhino, Ch Whiskey, etc.?
The idea of culling game dogs is not too bright IMO ... especially game bums inbred on talented dogs ... as ability (like anything else) can skip a generation ... and those game bums are often fantastic stud dogs.
Now you're preaching what other people should do? Kill dogs the moment they can't be shown?
Sorry, but this is selfish, short-sighted, if not outright daft.
History is filled with all-time-great dogs that couldn't be shown, but were extremely valuable as producers.
Good thing Stone City didn't believe that when they kept and bred Awesome Baby, a cold bitch who out-produced every bitch in the history of dogs, except Honeybunch.
With your ruthless thinking, have you owned any bitches that could compare in any way to Awesome Baby's as a producer?
If you don't believe they can beat the best in the world, then don't put them in with the best of the world.
But that doesn't mean they can't beat a pretty good dog like themselves.
Have you ever really beaten "the best in the world" yourself? (By that I mean, a Grand Champion, Champion, DOY, etc.?) Or are you pretty much just going into "dogs" with (what you call a "world beater") ... without the actual accomplishment you're speaking of, namely beating the best in the world?
99% of all the matches that take place are NOT people going into "the very best"; they're just two dogmen doing what they think are pretty good dogs.
I agree you should go through your dogs, and I also agree that you should bet (and put them with) where you feel they belong ... and I further agree that, if they're not good enough to match, then don't match them.
But I can't agree with killing game plugs, because history is filled with game plugs that will outproduce the daylights over talented Champions, especially if they're bred well.
I may not take the ugly bitch out for steak dinner, but I am not going to kill her either, especially if she has a good heart.
Jack
.
Genius
Well lets turn it up a notch, WHAT IS THE BEST? Some look for the dog that can rack up the most wins, some are looking for that ROM, some just want the deepest game one they can find.....
I would say, "the best" would be all of these things
But even a deep game dog with no other trick has value ...
I find it funny how some of the people on here are so quick to give advice on here that they don't follow themselves! Does it make you a better dog man or woman just because you have new dog houses and you feed a thousand dollars feed? And yet this same person can roll a puppy at 11 or 12 months old and cull it when this puppy never made a bad move but their still a better dog person because they feed a more expensive feed or cause their dog house's are insulated? As said before You Reap wat you Sow! A good dogman or woman isione who's always trying to learn something not some one who you can't have a conversation with because they know everything! Had someone try and tell me everything this other camp is doing wrong when he has no record of comparison! Now don't get me wrong if you know your shit by all means share it but if you're not living by the standards of which you speak stop throwing rocks and hiding your hands!
Who are you talking to exactly?
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote