Gameness is either there or not, you can add wind....how about ability?

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Yes i give the credit to the roll dog/schooling opponent. Dogs are not as easily controlled as a sparring partner in boxing. You cant say dog 1 attack this weakness and dog 2 work on defending this weakness. Its more hoping it goes according to plan. Its not babbling nonsense that has nothing to do with the dialouge. The point was i dont believe it has as much to do with human enhancement as it does with the dog doing the teaching and the other doing the learning.

You have a serious thinking disorder. I understand what you're trying to say, but it's still nonsense to say "the jenny" conditions the dog, rather than the conditioner who places the dog on the jenny.

The dog and the jenny would never get together in the first place, without the placement in that situation by the conditioner, and the same is true with the dog and its roll opponent.

Jack

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You have a serious thinking disorder. I understand what you're trying to say, but it's still nonsense to say "the jenny" conditions the dog, rather than the conditioner who places the dog on the jenny.

The dog and the jenny would never get together in the first place, without the placement in that situation by the conditioner, and the same is true with the dog and its roll opponent.

Jack

If the dog is placed on the jenny and refuses to budge how effective is the jenny. There's no need to continue the back and forth. You have stated your opinion and i have stated mine. In regards to the jenny/keep and schooling aspects you choose to give the credit to the human. I choose to give more credit to the dog. I give the credit to the human in terms of selecting the rightdog to put in keep in the first place.

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If the dog is placed on the jenny and refuses to budge how effective is the jenny.

In that situation, what is ineffective is the dog.

There's no need to continue the back and forth. You have stated your opinion and i have stated mine.

Exactly, so why do you continue to banter the same nonsense?

In regards to the jenny/keep and schooling aspects you choose to give the credit to the human. I choose to give more credit to the dog. I give the credit to the human in terms of selecting the rightdog to put in keep in the first place.

Yes, this has all been identified and re-hashed several times now ... almost to the point of qualifying for a Monty Python skit ... so thank you for yet another walk down this absolutely useless sidetrack.

At what point can we cease this stupid digression into the absurd and continue on with the point of the thread?

Jack

PS: You do remember the point of the thread, don't you? I think it had something to do with whether a dog's abilities/gameness, etc. can be enhanced or not, through training/schooling/experience/a bond with the owner, etc.?

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In that situation, what is ineffective is the dog.





Exactly, so why do you continue to banter the same nonsense?





Yes, this has all been identified and re-hashed several times now ... almost to the point of qualifying for a Monty Python skit ... so thank you for yet another walk down this absolutely useless sidetrack.

At what point can we cease this stupid digression into the absurd and continue on with the point of the thread?

Jack

PS: You do remember the point of the thread, don't you? I think it had something to do with whether a dog's abilities/gameness, etc. can be enhanced or not, through training/schooling/experience/a bond with the owner, etc.?

When did i ever get off the topic of the thread. My opinion has been the same from the beginning. I gave my thoughts, yours are different which dosent bother me. This hasnt ceased yet because you want to force feed me your opinion on the subject like its a fact.