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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by S_B View Post
    Projectx, I didn't accuse you of slander, but you obviously felt threatened by the comment.

    I don't look to breed dogs with structural defects, if a minor defect pops up, such as slipped hocks for instance, as mentioned here earlier. I would over look it, if most everything else I was looking for in that particular animal was in place.

    Gamedogs, who are performance bred are not without defects, as "structure" is not the main focus. Form follows function in most all working breeds, ours is no different.

    I would be more inclined to read all of your lengthy posts, if you were actually discussing what you as a breeder has contributed breeding your own dogs. And what superior qualities your dogs bring to the table, instead of what someone else's does not.

    And you completely misunderstood me about correctly represented and entered pedigrees as pertains to this database. I haven't turned a blind eye at all when it comes to this, as I want the TRUTH entered here as well as recorded elsewhere. Not sure how you would have come to that conclusion AT ALL.

    I have actually corrected some of your data entry in this pedigree database.
    Sb if you never said i slandered anyone why mention my name along with slander in the post, and believe me you do not threaten me at all , its my feeling that i threaten all of the ones who dont see to good from their rose coloured glasses they been wearing or from having their nose so far up their heros ass they cant see the wood for the trees . You see i stoped hero worshiping a long time ago, so now i can defend and also disagree with the dogmen i looked upon as the best , are they are only humans ,and that i can tell you was the best thing i ever did , as it allowed me to question things that untill then i took as gospel .
    I am glad that you dont look to breed faults as a rule and i agree with you sb that these animals are not without defects ,and of course its unavoidable to not breed dogs with some minor defects , but i was talking more particualry about dogs with more severe defects either physicall or in the case of gary hammonds , using deaf dogs , so im certainly not saying that we can never breed dogs with minor defects , that would be an ideal world scenario which we do not have .
    Your comment about you being more inclined to read all my lenghty posts if i was discuusing what i had as a breeder myself contributed to the breeding of my own dogs seems a rather strange think to say, as when i come on to the forum to read threads on what might interst me , i dont wonder whether the person posting it is either an expierienced breeder or dogfighter the psot normally tell me that ,but i read the post and i ether agree or disagree or think it has some merits or not depending on how i see things like everyone else does on any given subject. .Just like i would have made that comment to you, i would just reply to your post giving you my opinoin on what you posted in your first post , which was obviuosly meant for me as you mentioned my name and as such i replied to it never using the age old comment that you used , about wanting to know what you have done as some sort of reason to not have to agree with me or accept i have a point which you can agree or disagree with , as under those circumstances only about 5 % of all peoeple who ever post on any subject in these forums be it jacks or any other would not be allowed to say shit , regardless of how much sense it made or not , is that what your saying sb?
    I dont have to tell you about me or my dogs or what i breed , just like i dont ask you, i look at what you or anyone else may reply to any given subject , and if i ,like many others think they have a point about that they post a reply to it , i dont need to know if they have been there seen it done and got the t shirt for me to read it, i read it and i dont decide to agree or disagree with its contents on the basis of who posted it or how deep they been , i read it and if it makes sense i say it and if it dont agree i say that to , this isnt a pissing contest sb cos if you been around as long enough you knwo that sometimes the one that can piss the farthest aint always right .Sb i will give your post the same respect i do to all the others i read , by at least reading them and deciding whther i agree or not based on whats written in it and reply to, not reply to it by whether my feeling got hurt cos it says something about a line or dogman i like , thats childish bullshit , so if you dont want to read my posts thats fine but lets not start a pissing contest ok .

    As for me misunderstanding you , well im gald , as your original post seemed to be against anyone having an opinion be it right or wrong ,and that we should say nothhing and stick toggether , but as i told you, i wont stick toggehter with someone ideas if i dont agrree with them , thats riddiculous , so i mentioned and hoped that if a subject like ped faking comes up that you would not feel that we should just say nothing , and im glad you dont feel that way on that sb and i will gladly stick toggehter with you on that subject sb.

    As for my data entry , what exaclty have you changed , as although i myself being only human i can and do occasionaly get things wrong , i would be interested on what data is incorrect in my peds , thank you.
    Last edited by projectx; 12-16-2013 at 07:31 AM. Reason: the same wquestion as i would look at your psot

  2. #2
    When a "defect" in a structure which contributes nothing rears its ugly head, it should be done away with. No sense in it continuing, as it is futile.

    Jack, I'm sure most would support whatever decision you choose in dealing with such a defect in this structure.

    S_B

  3. #3
    I hear you, and it is now getting close to that.

    I am still fuming that Projectx actually has the audacity to call "me" lazy. He has only made 33 posts here in 2 years (all negative), while I have contributed (literally) more than 100x that amount during the same period, not to mention "small contributions" like the resource itself, all the articles, all the videos, etc.

    The man literally needs to look in the mirror, for a good long while, before he uses words like "lazy" on me again, or "bad for the breed" on a man like Hammonds.

    Hell, S_B, you have only been here 3 months, yet you've tripled Projectx' input in posts, you've added more than 650 dogs (13x more than Projectx), and you've also tried contributed immeasurably to straightening out some of the bad data entry in no telling how many other pedigrees ... in 1/8th the amount of time he's been here.

    Meanwhile, what has Projectx done "what" in 2 years here?
    Oh, that's right, 33 (negative) posts and 49 pedigrees.
    Worse, even in the mere 49 pedigrees Projectx has entered, 30 of those entries (62%) were either misspelled or poorly-punctuated.

    You know, that "negative microscope" works both ways, and when it shines on him it doesn't look too promising.
    Projectx needs to state his breeding credentials, and get his own act together, FIRST, before he dares to call another man "lazy" or "bad for the breed" again.

    Jack

  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by CA Jack View Post
    I hear you, and it is now getting close to that.

    I am still fuming that Projectx actually has the audacity to call "me" lazy. He has only made 33 posts here in 2 years (all negative), while I have contributed (literally) more than 100x that amount during the same period, not to mention "small contributions" like the resource itself, all the articles, all the videos, etc.

    The man literally needs to look in the mirror, for a good long while, before he uses words like "lazy" on me again, or "bad for the breed" on a man like Hammonds.

    Hell, S_B, you have only been here 3 months, yet you've tripled Projectx' input in posts, you've added more than 650 dogs (13x more than Projectx), and you've also tried contributed immeasurably to straightening out some of the bad data entry in no telling how many other pedigrees ... in 1/8th the amount of time he's been here.

    Meanwhile, what has Projectx done "what" in 2 years here?
    Oh, that's right, 33 (negative) posts and 49 pedigrees.
    Worse, even in the mere 49 pedigrees Projectx has entered, 30 of those entries (62%) were either misspelled or poorly-punctuated.

    You know, that "negative microscope" works both ways, and when it shines on him it doesn't look too promising.
    Projectx needs to state his breeding credentials, and get his own act together, FIRST, before he dares to call another man "lazy" or "bad for the breed" again.

    Jack
    Hi jack , i used lazy towards you not becasue i think your lazy i know your not ,but because in your reply to my post you said that you hadnt bothered to read it all just like sb had stated ,and i found that lazy , as i may not agree with a post , but i will at least give it the courtesy of reading it fully before making a reply to it whether positive or negative.

    As for me saying that hammonds is bad for the breed , i dont think i said that jack , what i do think and if im not mistaken and not wanting to put words into your mouth you agreed also, is that to constantly breed in a severe defect like deafness , which gary himself has stated he thinks is not a good idea but has kept doing it is bad breeding practice ,and unless like you yourself said the dog in question would have to have been a one in a thousand type dog and also an outstanding pitdog before you would ever consider breeding to a dog like that , so why the hell are you trying to shoot me down for saying what im sure many others also think is bad breeding practice , whether its gary hammonds doing it or a newbie its still bad practice, and i dont see why i or anyone else needs to justify what they post by what credentials they have in the game, just like i dont ask anyone else that question , i just read a post and if i agree or disagree with it i dont wonder whether any post i disagree with is posted by either a rank begginer or ozzie stevens , if it has merits thats what i look at , if everyone on this or any other forum has to have credentials or a badge of honour before they can post a comment and then and only then regardless of how good or bad a post might be is allowed to say anything on any subject , then not many will be posting anything.

    If like many other members jack who post on a variety of subjects from feed and housing to breeding and what gamness is, you should know better than most , that its all about pereception , and even the most experienced dogman can make mistakes and they do all the time, you yourself mentioned just that in a post about breeding if im not mistaken so if i or anyone else has to show you and the rest of the forum a resume of achievements before making a post even if its a good post , then make that a rule on here and lets see how many put one up , some will and some wont either becasue they cant or becasue their not here to tell the rest of the world whom or what they have done jack ,some people arent the braging type and like some annonimity thats why you dont see to many memebrs real names if ever .

    As i said to you before , if you think my posts are negative , well im sorry but im not sure how i can make a post on something like breeding deaf dogs as a rule rather than an exception a very psoitive post as i dont agree with it , maybe thats why,
    and the same would apply to any other posts you say i have been negative in i would have had a reason for me to be negative or not in agreement with it for me to have said it in the first place, and i at least try to , not like some members give a full and frank explanation as to why im not in agreement or negative as you say with a post , rather than just post a comment that says nothing and just disagrees with a post be it mine or another memebers post and gives no reason as to why , thats what i call a negative post jack , and man we can find a ton of those type of posts that say nothing and give nothing so guess what you learn nothing form them nothing ,and normally those posters dont have a reason other than they run a certain line or have an affiliation with a certain dogman , at least i try to give a reason in every post i make then jack its upto another member to either agree or disagree with it and i would hope they try to explain to me by way of a post using reasons as to why they may think im wrong , and if like i think i am a reasonable and open minded person , i may be swayed by that post becasue it has merit and i may have been wrong in my opinion , but that means making an effort not just defending the undefendable or disagreeing becasue of an emotional attachment rather than using facts , that i would have thought would be the way you would like ii to be jack , just like you always give a reason why you think a certain drug or feeding theory is good by using reasons why , or examples of breeding , you give a reason for it , so others whehter they agree with you or not can at least have something to go on before making their decision to either go that way or not .

    So just incase you didnt see it jack i do appologise to you if you thought i called you lazy , i know your not and without you this forum would not be what it is , i only meant it in the case of your not even bothering to read my post fully just like SB had said and then reply to it with a sweeping statement that to be fair was derogatroy to me ,without having read my post first, that was what i meant by being lazy , so i again appologise for that it was only meant in that particular context .

  5. #5
    Why would you wanna crack knuckles again a 3x knuckle cracking world champion in 3 different weight divisions with a law degree. Even I wouldn't, although I've been known to crack a few knuckles.

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by evolutionkennels View Post
    Why would you wanna crack knuckles again a 3x knuckle cracking world champion in 3 different weight divisions with a law degree. Even I wouldn't, although I've been known to crack a few knuckles.
    LOL ... well, I am going to have to crack my knuckles later on ... too busy now "being lazy"

    Jack

  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by CA Jack View Post
    LOL ... well, I am going to have to crack my knuckles later on ... too busy now "being lazy"

    Jack
    Hi jack , well i appologised to you thinking that maybe you had somehow misunderstood in what context i had called you lazy , and i thought you deserved an appolgy incase you had misunderstood me, but thats fine jack .

  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by evolutionkennels View Post
    Why would you wanna crack knuckles again a 3x knuckle cracking world champion in 3 different weight divisions with a law degree. Even I wouldn't, although I've been known to crack a few knuckles.
    Hi evo thanks for the advice but i am more than capable of looking after myself , but more importantly what are your views and opinions on the subject of this thread .

  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by projectx View Post
    Hi evo thanks for the advice but i am more than capable of looking after myself , but more importantly what are your views and opinions on the subject of this thread .

    If it was a grand champion sdj doy that won his last three within a 14 week period, I'd breed him to the best structured bitches from his own bloodline (linebred) each time, pick out the best structured offspring who also perform, and go from the re, but I see his pups have the same defects, I'd save my time and start breeding away from him

  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by evolutionkennels View Post
    If it was a grand champion sdj doy that won his last three within a 14 week period, I'd breed him to the best structured bitches from his own bloodline (linebred) each time, pick out the best structured offspring who also perform, and go from the re, but I see his pups have the same defects, I'd save my time and start breeding away from him
    Hi evo , so in the case of hammonds who i used as an example of as a breeder whos line is known for deaf dogs do you think that to continually breed deaf dogs in his particular case back into a line is a good or bad breeding practice .

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