Great post fellas. Though I do believe that Tar Heel or some other authority recently pointed out that Greaser wasn't just slick. He was a killer as well. Don't quote me but I believe he had sent two home in sausage casings as testament to his mouth. Greaser was thought to be badder than Zebo or anything else around not just slick. He was said to chop them up without getting touched. He also did a lot of damage to Zebo in their encounter proving Zebo's gameness to many as Zebo suffered a lot of abuse before he could get to his spot.

Some words right out of Ace's mouth on the subject of Queen vs Tornado.

"My Queen of Hearts bitch was just a real killer! Many who saw her said she was a real ace. Lately many have wrote me and asked me if I tried to take her into Dbl Gr. Ch. Tornado, and I will say yes it is true. I asked Ken about putting it together and he said he would think about it, and later he said "No". There are many people who know this to be true, even Ricky Jones(At one point credited as co-owner of Tornado along with the A-Team) told Ken he felt that Queen would kill Tornado. Rebel had a first hand look at Queen when she killed his Ch. Lou bitch. I never really tried to push the match because Ken and I were good friends. I never felt the need to disrespect Tornado publicly because she was a hell of a bulldog owned by a good man. You can't take anything away from a dog that has won 10 matches, but I felt Queen was a better dog. Remember it's only my opinion and opinions are not facts. But what is a fact is I tried to make it happen. Queen was a bitch with 8 wins without any of her opponents scratching back for more. Both Queen and Tornado will be part of bulldog history until the end of time. I can't think any less of Ken, he was a man who showed his bitch 10 times, when most dogmen have to be forced or have their hand held to show a dog one single time."~ J. Abrahams

I like how Ace says "Opinions are not facts". As his been pointed out the outcome is only speculation as our Ken's reasons for turning it down.

For those who don't know a lot about Queen of Hearts she had one of the absolute best resumes in the sport if not they very best. Not only did she go into top flight kennels she also went into the extremely accomplished bitches. Every single time she went out from the first to the last she stopped a very good one from picking up a title. They were all going for a championship or a grand championship. No first time out dogs. No greenhorn dogmen.

Blondie 2xw(same bitch twice)
Mule Dog 2xw
Rebel's Ch. Lou 4xw had doa's opponents in under 7 minutes. Queen killed her in under 35 looking fresh after the show. this show was at I think at 39lbs.
Ch. Pepper 4xw destoryer who Roadblock called the hardest biting gyp he'd ever seen. Pepper had no takers after #4 until Queen picked up the weight. Queen planted that one in under 30.
Lady 2xw said to be a specialist on the head.
4xW Ch. Lady Beast
and finally 2xw J.Allen's Miss Redboy. Who was said to be super slick and super game. She was picked up to save her in under 30 as well. The Rebel has said to have put that one together to try to get revenge on Queen for killing his Lou bitch.

So while Tornado was the most winning bitch in history. Saying she was the greatest or most accomplished is still a matter of opinion.

As an aside one of the things that lead me to the old Vise Grip kennels page back on geocites was my tracking of a breedings down from Queen that lead to this bitch. http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...php?dog_id=542