I agree with you all, I guess the point for me isn't the heat cycles it is the fact that people are so stuck on putting the dog through a blender to prove its worth breeding as if it will make it a better producer. I seen another thread where some guy just wants to breed his bitch to a CH... I'm like wtf does that guarantee? The two simply don't affect each other. If I have a dog that I plan on matching then yes I'm gonna check it to the fullest so I know how game we are before I hook them. If I have one that I want to use for brood then that's what's I do, breed it, wait to see if it produces then proceed, simple shit man. Just my opinion, everyone reaps their own rewards Asa well as suffer your own consequences.