i like the mayday stuff. about a year ago a accidental breeding took place with 2 of my younglings. so i let nature take its course. i kept a male from this breeding http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=22358 double bred Mayday/ Double bred Yellow /Double bred Teacher (50% Redboy/ 50% ELI) Double bred Shortie (Cardena's shortie) and his fire. 10 months old and he showed 1 of my fulyl schooled prospects flames in a yard accident. Defensive Maestro of note with above average mouth. Still early days. he might turn out not to be that good in the box but either way. Very excited to start schooling him.