Quote Originally Posted by Ipk
Thank you for the reply jack, very insightful. Wasn't trying to discredit any of these dogs either as they have ALL done great.
How many pups did zipper actually have? And could you tell me a little about her pups? How did roxanne compare to pup pup?
I am not trying to discredit any of them either, just correcting the assumption you had that the dogs you mentioned were "the best"; they weren't.

Unfortunately, Zipper was the worst in the litter. I liked her intensity as a pup, but she came out long-bodied and unathletic. Pup Pup was a late-starting, average, game dog ... who made lousy moves ... but proved deeply-game regardless. My dogs almost never make bad moves, so I never really trusted Pup Pup's gameness, despite seeing it. He was NOTHING compared to Stormbringer, and really doesn't deserve to be in the same sentence with him. My gut feel proved correct, as every single dog off of Pup Pup either wouldn't start, or quit, which was a shame because Pup Pup was bred well "on paper."

Fittingly, Pup Pup had a brother named Iron Mike who never started and was put down. The sister Roxanne had a defective foot and was not very athletic at all either, so Zipper's percentages were horrible. (I don't know if this defective foot was genetic, or because of ricketts, because Leon's care wasn't the best). Anyway, when Leon went to jail and I got some of these dogs back, I tried going "out" and bred Zipper to Waccamaw's Bud, and I got a male named Buddy Boy, and (as far as I know) he never started either. So the worst one in that Poncho/Rosey litter was my Zipper bitch, who was actually game ... but who couldn't throw a first-class dog to save her life ... and who died young from eating metal, which (judging by her pups) was probably a good thing.

Zipper produced the worst, and lowest-percentage pocket of blood in the history of my yard and I I hate to say it but am glad it is gone

Jack

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