Don't know what happened to Delilah, as I lost contact with her owner, but she was the smartest, most athletic dog in the litter. (Should have kept her.)

Turbo was a slow, stupid, but pretty rough dog, who hit bleeders every time he was set down. He would always start behind ... he would always struggle to get a hold, and then (once he did get a hold) he would cripple the dog almost immediately and it would be over. After beating LA Dream Team's Blackie Boy, Turbo was brought in real light and just looked like $#!^ and quit to TVK's RE. He was given away as a pet and never bred.

There were two other brothers, Odin and Blockhead, that were awesome specimens and game as hell ... but I lost track with their owners.

Wild Red Rose won 1 for Leon and was a slow, stupid dog with heavy mouth like Turbo also ... but she was much gamer. I think she won in like :40-:50 and Leon told me she'd break legs at the elbow. In school, Rosey also broke the legs of the bitch who had Kitana picked up ...

I understand why you think Chase and Razor were the best producers from those respective litters, but they weren't, they were just two of the many good producers in that litter. As physical specimens and individuals go, Hornet & Whitehead were my favorite males in that litter, not Chase; Chase was actually the "last pick" of that litter. I don't think Chase was match-worthy, while his brother Whitehead went on to win in 1:20 but I lost track of him. Whitehead also won international BIS for his conformation. Hornet was also a physical specimen (before he got fat), but he was only bred once ... yet from his only breeding he produced Ch Mr. Serious ROM, Boots (another producer of Champions), and Mr. Cho (who died crawling DG at only 16 months when facing a Champion). IMO Mr. Serious was a better dog out of Hornet's only breeding than ever came out of Chase from many breedings. This is not to disrespect Chase, he was a game dog and good producer, but IMO he was a far cry from "the best" dog in that litter. He just got bred more.

Same with Razor. Razor was actually the "ugly duckling" in her litter compared to Sassy and Thunder Rose. However, I do think Razor was smarter and faster than they were. Razor was a super-bred bitch, just like the sisters, but what made her produce those dogs was also the fact she was bred to Hero. Hero was IMO the best (or one of the 2 best) males out of that litter, and so he played a vital role in the quality of that Ch Miagi / Ch Pierce litter too. Thunder Rose never got bred (as far as I know), but Sassy produced a badass dog named Leavenworth's Jasper 2xW bred to Waccamaw's Ch Yellow John, who lost his third only because he broke his jaw early on a freak collision ... but yet still went out screaming game in 1:10 to a dog he couldn't even mouth for the whole deal. He would be a Champion had that not happened. Sassy also produced PonchoBack 2xW who was an ace head dog, but who happened to face a devastating dog for #2 (that he beat) but whose mouth was so horrible he couldn't survive afterward, even from just a few bites. I am sure Kilo's Gorilla Girl would be tough to beat at her best weight also, but has never been done.

Lots of times fate (and who ends up with the dogs) determines whether they get matched or not, as well as what level of competition they face when they do go out.

Jack


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