Normally I only post to topics I have some actual knowledge of (sometimes just a little bit, but still a little) but this one is one of the first lessons I learned in these dogs from the proverbial "old guy". He use to tell us the only way to tell how a dog is really bred is to win 4 or 5 or produce several that win 4 or 5. As soon as that happens there is always someone who knows how he/she is really bred. He enjoyed good humor. I have found this statement to be true seems like a thousand times. Every good one that comes down the pipe is not bred the way he is papered. LOL. EWO