O yea, I realized that. I seen a lot of peds with the tb crossed with jeep. I been trying to get some info on them and have been told they were good hounds that were intense, some with box smarts, mouth, and finish depending on who you got it from just like all other lines. The folks I got the info from were based in Ohio so that sounds about right of it being private and not being peddled. I'm just doing my research on the these hounds because I might see about acquiring some of that blood for an out cross down the road with the alligator blood. Thanks for the info TFX, much appreciated.