Raw Feeding Fact or Myth?

[Black Hand]

I think there are benefits to both raw or kibble and ppl have their own ways of doing both. I like raw cuz I dictate every aspect of what goes into my dogs body and it's actually costing me a little bit less for that peace of mind. I do not trust a corporation that is hell bent on a profit with the ingredients of their food, good or bad. I'm not worried about a profit, only return I care about is my dogs well being so I'm just more comfortable preparing my dogs food. they look and act great. I've seen dogs look and act great on cheap kibble too though. but I do it for peace of mind so I'm not cringing every time I put food in their bowl lol.

[Limey Kennels]

Shouldend you be at least as worried about the raw product you buy. nothing on the lable (if there is any at al)sais ore states ore show you anything, but the color of the meat and skin(wich is uphold with artifisional products for decades).. thats a fals securety of health my frind.. the only thing you dictate is what combination of the same crap meat that is used in dry food you put in that food boul.. but if that makes you feel beter .........Unless you buy highend kibble ore meat products...PS on the dog food bags it at least states whats being used to produce the product!!. you wil not see on the chiken lable , massif amounds of antibiotics used in this bio industry chicken to make sure no diseases broke out. and used to gain more meat. as thats a known side afect of antibiotics as wel..

[tasoschatz]

To whom it may concern, anabolism equals into positive nitrogen balance, if very fast digested food is provided, well, after digestion is over, and aminos are driven wherever and in whatever form they will turn, catabolism starts, so you feed again? and how much you think the body can take and use, without steroids? Obviously post workout and aminos during workout serve as anticatabolics due to body amino sparing effect.
I had the chance to see what olympic games competitive athletes eat, lets say for lunch, nothing light in there. Certain athletes from certain sports exempted like gymnastics etc.
As I said before, Limey has his views, I see no reason to continue in this topic, since we represent different opinions like for eg fast digestion is always better for L, while for me only after certain activities.
Obviously I will continue following his posts, it is just that my personnal skimming of incoming info is what it is.

[Officially Retired]

I think there are benefits to both raw or kibble and ppl have their own ways of doing both. I like raw cuz I dictate every aspect of what goes into my dogs body and it's actually costing me a little bit less for that peace of mind. I do not trust a corporation that is hell bent on a profit with the ingredients of their food, good or bad. I'm not worried about a profit, only return I care about is my dogs well being so I'm just more comfortable preparing my dogs food. they look and act great. I've seen dogs look and act great on cheap kibble too though. but I do it for peace of mind so I'm not cringing every time I put food in their bowl lol.

There is no "benefit" of kibble at all, except for human convenience.

It offers ZERO nutritional advantage over what it used to be before it was cooked and destroyed.

Jack

[Officially Retired]

Shouldend you be at least as worried about the raw product you buy. nothing on the lable (if there is any at al)sais ore states ore show you anything, but the color of the meat and skin(wich is uphold with artifisional products for decades).. thats a fals securety of health my frind.. the only thing you dictate is what combination of the same crap meat that is used in dry food you put in that food boul.. but if that makes you feel beter .........Unless you buy highend kibble ore meat products...PS on the dog food bags it at least states whats being used to produce the product!!. you wil not see on the chiken lable , massif amounds of antibiotics used in this bio industry chicken to make sure no diseases broke out. and used to gain more meat. as thats a known side afect of antibiotics as wel..

Why don't you actually feed your dogs a top raw diet, for at least 6 months, before you type another word?

Jack

[Officially Retired]

Frosty paws . you need to look at the bigger picture. put antibiotics in meat on google sirch and you see lots and lots and lots of news from years back uptill now consirning the dangers of antibiotics and hormons in meat.and therfor ESPECIALY in RAW MEAT. looking for a specific awnser and upertunatly for a debate with SGC wil not prove your right and his wrong.. take a look at the cheap chicken meat clip. its in dutch but the you tube clips dont need any languish ore sub titels.http://youtu.be/EdhoabewYjc ..
chek this one out maKE SURE YOU LOOK TO AT LEAST 4,15. http://youtu.be/ddqps9NR5ZA
4.000.000.000 of these chickes are produced for europe alone!!! geneticly manipulated, fed up full with massif amounds of antibiotics to make sure NO diseases break out beng so close to another. at 6/7 weeks old they are not only ready to be slaughted. but HAVE to be becuase there harths wil fail. and beat twice as fast as a regular eg laying chiken. there weight wil brake there legs and they die IF they live longer then 7 weeks...on top of that they run so hot that thy are now diveloping geneticly manipultated chickens who do not grow feathers http://youtu.be/8iynbYU_4cA MEANING LESS ENERGY LOSS DUE TO COOLING INSTALATIONS!!. and able to iven MORE chickens on one square yard. wich means more money.. on top of that they get fed prossest meat waist of dead animals . as SGC said you are what you eat.
You can NOT Feed RAW diet CHEAP and get health with it for your dogs!!! . biologicel chicken ore beaf meat etcetera is 3 to 4 times more ecspensif http://www.beefensteak.nl/nl/gevogel...ologische-kip/
And NO you cant bij that stuf at your whole sale markets.
plenty of news about SOLUTED SOIL due to the massif amounds of antibiotics that are drained into it tru urine from life stock... If you feed your own meat and prepear it yourself and whant to stick with your guns then at least cook the crap out of it.... the beter AND CHEAPER alternatif is feeding quality dry kibbel soakt in hot water..

You keep typing the same nonsense.

You still have ZERO actual experience feeding your dogs raw for a long time.

Your problem is with hormones and bacteria, not the concept of raw meats versus kibble. You arguing against raw due to "bacteria" is like me arguing against kibble because of the aflatoxin deaths that have come about in bad kibble batches. So if you want to talk about toxic meat as a strawman, then hell let's talk about toxic kibble. Hell, I would say more dogs have died across the nation from bad batches of kibble than from eating raw. But that still isn't the point.

The POINT is, at its best and purest, raw flesh is the way dogs are supposed to eat their food. Kibble is not. At its best and purest, raw meats/ingredients have more nutrition than they do after being cooked down into kibble. The best kibbled feeds were better before they were cooked! And that is just a fact that you will never get around.

If you want to argue "contamination," and "worst to worst," I would rather feed my dogs raw chicken with salmonella (or a few hormones) than I would to feed a bag of kibble contaminated by aflatoxins. If you want to talk about "best to best," raw food items are still a thousand times more nutritious than what they become when turned into kibble. And, again, that is just something you will never get around.

So why don't you actually feed your dogs the best raw food you can, for a number of months, before you type another word on the subject ... and check back with us ... because you will be singing a different tune altogether.

Jack

[Limey Kennels]

Why don't you actually feed your dogs a top raw diet, for at least 6 months, before you type another word?

Jack

Obviusly Jack you have not read my posts very wel. sure i know my spelling sucks but belive me i fed raw long befor you did...........
also proove of you NOT reading my posts is that i have a problem with hormons and ANTIBIOTICS........
and high bulk feeding and lack of balansing raw feeding diets when working dogs.. At the same time i took away some raw feeding ecsperd Myths aimed toward kibble including yours on your videos .
Bij just simply adding water to kibble and have it soakt in . (make sure you read the texst in the video as wel https://sites.google.com/site/greenr...s/myth-busting )

The one i forgot to mention is that dogs DO NOT get bad teeth when eating ""soakt"" kibble.in contrary being fed the dry kibble, as the STICKY saliva that the dogs pull out of there glans are not added when dogs eat soakt kibble.(just like feeding raw you dont see them licking there mouths for 5 ore 10 min because of the water contens in raw diet Hens no sticky Salive stays behind) the Saliva mixes with the dry kibble and stays in there mouth and set of on there teeth over time wich forms dental stone / tartar http://youtu.be/Cq5PnsAJiRk nothing more nor less a simple visit to the vet and its gone . if un treated then teeth rot yes. BUT al this is not a problem when soaking your kibble in water .. .. Dogs automaticly produce lots of saliva to the kibble because its to dry!!. only the dogs who do NOT crunsh the"not soakt dry Kibble and swalow it wholle do not get bad teeth!! The same problem ocurs when babies are fed milk products in there bottles when they get there last feeding during the night . it creates saliva that take on the milk sugar and stick to there teeth resulting in pre mature rotten teeth.. Is this Non sense to you to Jack. .... Ore is the pot blaming the kethel it turns black here Jack. jou acusing me of not have been feeding Raw diets (witch i have) and at the same time you have NEVER lookt at the simple way to over come a posible dry food problems because it never came into your mind . nor of others that are feeding raw diets who DID have problems with feeding dry food the wrong way.... her you go KIbble and raw euro basset hunting hounds enjoy..
http://youtu.be/0ZexPPDLXRA http://youtu.be/AC4cACp-E2w

[Black Hand]

Shouldend you be at least as worried about the raw product you buy. nothing on the lable (if there is any at al)sais ore states ore show you anything, but the color of the meat and skin(wich is uphold with artifisional products for decades).. thats a fals securety of health my frind.. the only thing you dictate is what combination of the same crap meat that is used in dry food you put in that food boul.. but if that makes you feel beter .........Unless you buy highend kibble ore meat products...PS on the dog food bags it at least states whats being used to produce the product!!. you wil not see on the chiken lable , massif amounds of antibiotics used in this bio industry chicken to make sure no diseases broke out. and used to gain more meat. as thats a known side afect of antibiotics as wel..

it makes me feel better cuz I have the option of feeding any kind of meat I want, commercially raised or locally raised and not sold to the masses. you do not have to buy commercially sold meat like you have to buy commercially sold dog food, you can raise your own if you like or im sure there are plenty locals with their own stock around you. I have the choice of feeding absolutely whatever kind of anything that I like, as the only gains I'm interested in are in the dogs health. absolutely nothing to do with money as I'm not hurting for money and have no more dogs than I can afford to feed however I like. that's the peace of mind. I don't have to be cheap, but it just so happens to cost about the same or a little less than high end kibble. Now I'm not against kibble, but it seems to me if there was a proper way to feed kibble the shit would be on the bag along with those good ingredients you speak of if the company had dogs best interest in mind.

[Black Hand]

and if the company does not have my animals best interest in mind, I'm not going to spend my money and try to think of a way to better the product when I can simply buy everything needed to feed my dogs the way I like.

whatever works for you and your dogs though. everyone can't be the same. ol Roy, pedigree, taste of the wild, inova, meat from Walmart, the butcher, your own, your neighbors. we all have different methods and opinions. I know what works for mine cuz I've done a lot of different things.

[Limey Kennels]

Black hand then you are umongst the very few, who can feed a ""realy""healty raw diet!!!... consirning good quality kibble is the same as with good quality meat ""You get what you pay for"" CHEK LAST LINE INBETWEEN THE >>>>>>>>>.. Decleration..<<<<<<<




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