Quote Originally Posted by Limey Kennels View Post
Ok Jack .
Bacteria in infected meat thus not only live on the outside!!. many many people(including dogs and yes theye system is way stronger then ours is) have died of not properly kookt ore baket meats sours!!.
iventho the meat LOOKT to be kookt true and true on the inside . hens kooking it very wel is the only way to disreguard the bactiria anti biotics hormons. Another point where proove is shown where OUR gut bacteria hase been distroid is the ALARMING increased nrs of colan and stomage CANSER umongst man. due to al the added antibiotics hormons and as you could read in the text above arcenic in meat and chicken... MIND you GOOD healty proper meat will not give you canser its the fricking Bio industry that thuse that!!..
have you even used Yakult!!. if so then you most defenaty notised the good solid diguested stool a day ore two later that come out of you. Thats due to the 6.5 billion good gut bacteria from 1 little bottle to help diguest and break douwn the right nutrition needed for our bodies.. this to is proof we have a problem with antibiotics EVEN in our KOOKt meat not to mention in raw meat..,, as all the good gut bacteria is killed of .
Jack if you belive you could can buy bio industrie free chicken everywhere for everybody you wil find out that its not ez not to mention the ecspense ...
and please do NOT belive what they claim on the etikets ,where they say it is, they are ALWAYS 3 stept behind on what they CLAIM the product is, and make you belive is healthy meat ore chicken for that matter .
IF the same amound of chickens that are normally kenneld/ boxst up and stackt on top of eachother been put im those major big barns then they alredy called them free roaming chickes!!!!!. but sins there are no chicken wirere cages are in between them and they are not stackt on top of eathoder its bij law alouwd to call them free roaming. its still the same crap animal being fed the same shit. bisenis is bisenis. been involved to mutch in the meat industrie myself to know that.
altho i like my meat, i sure as hell try to use it as little as posible and kook the crap out of it. ore buy the good stuff from time to time.
Do you even remember how a real live free roaming chicken tasts like wich we got 40 years ago,??? .
insted we get those silly putty white gentic manipulated white meat they claim is chicken meat!!??.
where those chickens produce nearly1 1/2 to 2 lbs of chicken brests within 6 weeks.........feeding the waist of other animals who on there own are pumpt full with crap... i seen your videos where the costs are laid out . no way in hell you get and feed the right stuff to feed you dogs, bij cutting costs down.
Again its good when you get the REAL proper meat diet,and only for on the chain.but iven getting the right stuf is a tall order for you to do so..
and cost will rize above your head in sutch a way it isend iven funny anymore..
and to awnser your question about adding amino acids later on with kibbel hell being better. then hell yes its beter il get the protien less antibiots les hormons lees amino acids . if i ad the aminio acids i get everyting in THAT departmend that i need.. but thats personal and out of my own ecsperiense...
Tasoschats................ i cant convert now one i can mearly show the oposit side of wat is called the raw feeding health myth ... people make up there own minds .and as soon as they made there mind up . there is nothing i ore anybody els can do about it. my gospel against it, is like trying to cell canser nobody of the raw meat guys buys it..
Bij the way I like to see some wel conditiond raw meat dogs bij the way ... just to keep it in all good spirits..
Jon P lebron............. its very good to here you where able to change your life around!!. not alot of people are able to do that!!. respect im sure it wassend ez. right now im on a raw veggy mediteraniam diet myself..
I was kinda reddy to ask if people would ore could put a pickture up ona chiney healty raw fed dog . as i alredy ecsplained that its the amino asids in combination with antibiotics that thuse that . and it gives you a ""part"" fals sense of healht.
you are 100% right that you can read a great part of the health on a dog bij his looks. 3 features wil show you that from the get go shiny bricht eyes/ clear shiny coats and wet nozes . And indeed stool!.
Lets see some of these dogs.. and il show you a dog that was on raw meat and whent back to what we advised..
and il show you the rightway of feeding a dog kibble the weight of it and the weight of the waist/stool that comes out of the dog..

Limey, I don't have the time (or desire) to get into all of this drama you keep going on and on about regarding hormones and bacteria. Hormones are in our meats too, and yet we humans live longer than we ever have. Is it optimal? No. Organic would be better. But it sure is better to eat the meats we do than it would be to eat dog kibble

Regarding bacteria, a dog can eat freakin road kill replete with bacteria and be okay. A dog's digestive system is MUCH stronger than ours and they can take heavier bacteria loads than we with no ill effect. Truly, at the end of the day, you are arguing your imagination, not first-hand knowledge. And that is pretty much all of it.

The truth is, all of the Google-searching, link-posting, etc., etc. is not "knowledge"; it is only what you choose to believe. You have no actual knowledge of feeding raw, consistently, to a large group of animals. None.

I, on the other hand, have direct, FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCE actually feeding raw to a yard of 60-80 dogs for a number of years ... and I have direct, first-hand experience feeding kibble to a huge yard for a number of years as well ... and my ACTUAL EXPERIENCE (not theoretical nonsense) showed me a landslide difference in my dogs' looks, health, their reproductive potency, and their staying "problem free" in the later years of their lives as opposed to when I fed kibble. (Sure, there are "individual exceptions" to any large group population, but they were very few and far between.)

Therefore, "me" debating "you" on the subject of feeding raw is almost a waste of my time. Truly, it would be like someone who has never seen a dogfight arguing with "you" on the subject of what it takes to produce one. You have decades of experience handling and producing combat dogs, where a novice would have none, and so it would be a waste of your time to argue with a man who "posted a lot of links" about the subject of dogfighting, but who has never seen a dogfight. I am sure you can easily see that this man's "link-posting" could never equal your actual experience handling and producing combat dogs, and therefore you really couldn't have a meaningful discussion with such a man (especially if he was obstinate and thought his "link-posting" was actual knowledge).

Well, in the same fashion Limey, because I don't think you truly know what you're talking about feeding raw (based on years of actual experience feeding a yard of dogs raw diet on a consistent basis), it is just impossible to have an intelligent discussion with you on the subject. If you actually took the time to feed your dogs a proper raw diet, for a number of months/years, you would simply NOT be saying the silly things you're saying about kibble-versus-raw. And that is pretty much all there is to it.

Instead, you would only be talking about how to make your raw diets better, by removing antibiotics/hormones, etc. Because the question isn't, "Is raw better than kibble," as the answer is simply YES. Rather, the questions that really need to be addressed are, "How can we feed raw cheaper?", or "How can we feed antibiotic/hormone-free raw economically?", etc., etc.

Those are the only questions worth talking about by knowledgeable dogmen on the subject of feeding dogs optimally.

The only thing kibble wins out on over raw is convenience, no question about that, but it simply does not afford equal-quality nutrition

Jack