connollys redmill dry food ,how does it compare to the better dry food

[Limey Kennels]

So, when some dog owners endorse whatever kibble they do, we have a serious comment, when we make the same talk about humans, it is silly... Well, I simply do not accept that there aren't financial interests involved through promotion etc in dog races, I guess it is a personal perception thing.
Seriously speaking although, and I mean it in a sincere manner, I haven't seen anywhere that heat procedure for lets say kibble preparation destroys hormones and antibiotics, doesn't mean it isn't true, but I would like to see some credible info source on that matter.
What I have seen is animal industrial food manufacturing, although not dog kibble, human athletes, 2004 olympic games menu, university studies, personally beeing a subject in some etc etc. In full honesty, if I was to be convinced that dog kibble is of such high level, maybe I would convince myself to feed on that and live for 100 years.

It was a silly question because nobody is the same and everybody has to tailor made what kind of suplemends work for him ore her. one person has a lack in one nutriend being it vitamins ore minerals ecetera .then the other. .. same with sporting animals.....
And ofcours there is MAJOR finansual intrest involved same as with meat and kibble. everybody likes to promote and talk about the benifits and disreguard the negatif side efects of there products. Its up to YOU to find out and weigh it all douwn in what you belive is the best thin to do for your life your kinds and your dogs for that matter.
We all know if we kook our vegies to long it wil distroi the goodies. we al know that the vitamins in petatos are in the skin. we all know when we boil our meat we draw the good stuff out and distroi lots of nutriense in the meat (like amino asids) we all know that we have to kook our food to break douwn the crap thats being used in ore on our vegies and meat.
We all know that antibiotic use today in our life stock is a imidiat danger to us and future generations as bacteria strains are getting imume. we all know that dogs have a diferend tast and smell then we do so hens they like kibble and we dont.
and MOST of us know that it is bij LAW in lots of countries that pet food is made to be used for human consumption in time for crisis of any kind... And you have no idea how many people DO eat pet food these days!!!!!!...

[Limey Kennels]

I dont belive, infact i cant recall nor belived i have acused you of being a raw feeder nor would i care thats al up to you. If i heurt your feelings about that and ore if you belived i did so then im sorry!.
we start al our pups on a mixure of raw minsed meat and soakt kibble. and slowly over the cours of 3 weeks take the minst meat out..its used as a kick starter nothing more ore less. Now as for cereal. Tell me, no show me why that would be a bad kibble.(dont use food wizers) let me remind you that the indonesian and philipien Dingo,s main Diet is carbs. in the likes of frutes riced ecetera. and then meat in the likes of small animals lizzards ecetera.. using a lower protien (27%) kibble with sereal as a maintinense food is no problem and can be givven til the dog dies of natural cases.and lots of them do grow old upto 15 years living on it..
when you start working a dog protien(29/32%) based as the nr 1 and 2 ingriediens in descending order by weight is askt for yes.
Bij the way we kickt Fat bills a.s in such a way he whent broke and came asking for a loan to buy a ticket to fly home!! he was that convinsed putting his money up...... We declined.

[tasoschatz]

People eat dog food due to financial need, not choice. WE do know many things, it seems that in this forum, as in g-d and you talking high about Eukanuba, the majority is for raw feeding so , WE should be enough of an answer? I never used the majority factor in our conversations, I just tried repeatedly to give you an oportunity to present scientific facts, in my opinion you haven't.
Enough from me on feeding subject, if you ever decide to post a show preperation programme with training included, then I will bother you again.

[Limey Kennels]

People eat dog food due to financial need, not choice. WE do know many things, it seems that in this forum, as in g-d and you talking high about Eukanuba, the majority is for raw feeding so , WE should be enough of an answer? I never used the majority factor in our conversations, I just tried repeatedly to give you an oportunity to present scientific facts, in my opinion you haven't.
Enough from me on feeding subject, if you ever decide to post a show preperation programme with training included, then I will bother you again.

there is a fip side to that coin!. one this post is about o connoly red milss/Gain .NOT about Eucanuba. 2 YOU ore ANOBODY ELS show me sientific facts that raw feeding is and works beter then quality kibble. 3 that the majorety on this forum feeds kibble is nothing more then spieces looking for spiecies. ore soulmates looking for another AND hasend bee proven at al. last time i chekt the POLL on raw meat vs kibble, then look at the amound of paying MEMBERS it thussend prove anyting... this thussend make you ore anybody els right!!...

[R2L]

the thing about these oldtimers is. yes they knew how to make the right weight. but knowledge and understanding about feeding has advanced trough all the years. so if they knew then what we know now they probably know some stuff they did was ridiculous. some people though, keep sticking in the past regardless.

[Limey Kennels]

R2L last time i chekt feeding raw WAS done bij the oltimers uptil the quality Kibbel arived!!. then both the kibbel and raw where mickst!!. and later raw in its intyer wassend used in a keep . but raw scraps where used to feed the dogs on the chain. are you telling me that feeding raw today was any diferend then feeding raw yesterday!!??.. i belive for one that the meat of yesterday was of SUPERIOR quality then the raw meat today same goze for vegies.. the 3 fold of the human population sins those days have put so mutch PRESSURE on food production that mankind had to geneticly manipulated vegies and yes life stock in order to produce more meat to keep up with the food demands today. not to mention the use of MASSIF chemicals in the likes of hormons and antibiotics to make sure that these animals who are packt and stackt together so tighly that diseases are iminend hensh the cemical treadmends. are you telling me thats a step forward!!!... one posted that there are kibble redraws do to mistakes being made producing poisions bags of dogfood. ignorense hase set in and they compleatly DISREGUARD the massif amounds of meat scadals there are the world over. in sutch a way that the couple of bad dogfood redraws are a non issiuew compeard to the meat industry fu.kups..Bij the way have you been actif enoughf to make sutch a commend in saying your lines above. ore is this a feeling and ore a belive that is not proven on facts...

[tasoschatz]

I asked repeatedly for some science that cooking or whatever other drying procedure destroys a considerable amount of antibiotics and / or hormones in the meat. It is either known for a fact or not, I assume that because of human consumption of all these meats, there should be some scientific papers at least, if it is a fact, that cooking destroys antibiotics. I am not aware of any.
Research can be first or second hand. First hand is in vivo or in vitro, so real life tests or experiments in a tube. Second hand is research already done and existing in data bases and also the opinion of experienced experts. I judge that the majority in every forum says, I mean the members whose posts I read not just everybody, that raw feeding is better, plain and simple. Many among them have tried both ways for years. The reasons for this, I assume that raw is better, may seems obvious to most and not taking into account antibiotics etc the way you do, but it doesn't mean it isn't true.

[R2L]

Limey, i was aiming for stuff like cornflakes/carbohydrate loading in extension to what TFX said. Are you telling me knowledge/understanding about feeding dogs hasnt improved the last 30 years? Being able to find the right weight has nothing to do with that. What does my activity got to do with it? I been active enough to know the better dog will win regardless the dog was in worse shape then before the keep. Iv seen the other dog's "turbo start" and what happened after that. Grtz

[evolutionkennels]

I can tell you this, I fed nature's variety instinct kibble for the past year, and it's the best kibble I ever fed. However, Machobear still locked his paws raw. I changed to the exact same feed but with freeze dried raw, and with just that tiny bit of raw, all food allergies disappeared. And the coats are fantastic. As far as fertility is concerned, with the kibble on its own, I took machobear to the clinic to freeze semen, and all I got was 10 straws. After 3 months of the same kibble with freeze dried raw, I took him to get drawn, and he gave me 17 straws. Just imagine if I gave complete raw? There is no argument here. The proof is in the pudding, NO KIBBLE CAN COMPETE WITH RAW. PERIOD. Like I've said though, if you must feed kibble, feed Natures Variety Instinct with Freeze dried boost.

[EWO]

Very good post. What people feed is driven by economics more so that what is the better nutrition. A guy that has 60-70 dogs would save money feeding RAW but if he has a full time job that is not the dogs, odds are he does not have the time to take advantage of the costs or the nutritional benefit, thus he feeds from a bag.
Secondly, lots of stuff in the dogs is the blind following the blind. If a guy is winning a bunch of matches feeding corn flakes there will be a ton of people following suit. These followers will never ask why or look for another way because if 'ol Joe is winning on corn flakes then it will be Kelloggs for me as well. Happens in lots of areas other than dogs. In kids baseball if the big kid hits one to the fence with a big bat then all the little kids want to hit with that same big bat on their next trip to the plate. So if people see someone winning on corn flakes they will be using corn flakes as well.
Thirdly, my brother in law hunts foxes/coyotes both in the pens and on the outside. His dogs consistently place and win hunts. He has some of the nicest looking hounds anywhere and they perform. 6-8 years ago he switched from cheap bag dog food to day old bread from the food bank. Wheat, white, rye, sour dough, you name it. He gets a pick up truck load for $20. He feeds all his dogs (maybe 40 or so) for about $40 to $60 a month. Straight bread. Deer carcass in the winter but bread is the staple year round. I told him 6-8 years ago his dogs would not hold up on bread. He is winning with the bread feed plan. His dogs are healthy looking. His older females ( are still throwing pups. His older males are doing the same. I have never used corn flakes myslef, but on the days when I spend hours cutting meat, juicing vegetables and packaging a weeks worth of food I often find myself thinking about the bread route myself. LOL EWO

Yeah Limey, and Fat Bill once put out a keep that called for using Corn Flakes. He probably won more shows that me too, but that doesn't mean the guy knows anything about nutrition. Smith & Walton fed Ol' Roy when I got there, and he won a lot of shows too. Winning contests and making a profit on the kennel isn't a good measure of sound nutritional choices. In fact, if profitability is a key driver, poor nutrition likely will provide a much more attractive return on investment.

Generally dog people of any fancy are blind idiots following idiots with a little more, yet still limited vision. So these "knowledgable" Greyhound fanciers may not be knowledgeable whatsoever. In fact, I am supposing that because they keep hundreds and hundreds of dogs and cull a majority of them, that this feed choice has much more to do with economics than it does nutritional benefits.