I gues everyting that needed to be said has been said in most posts, wel kind of. repeating ourselfs is sensless . i belive people have enoughf to think about and do some google sirches, to find out..
like i said earlyer
there are always 2 sides to a story . thought i show that feeding raw isend as healty as people think ore claim it is.... Now please show of raw fed conditiond dogs..
Originally Posted by Limey Kennels
Actually, doing "Google searches" doesn't let you find out everything, precisely because there are a lot of biased articles (written by idiots) ... as well as articles who have slanted and/or hidden agendas
This may not seem relevant (yet I promise you it is), but I was an injury claims fraud investigator for over 12 years. In that capacity, I have read more doctor's reports than probably anybody in dogs (except for a practicing physician, nurse, etc.), and one thing I can tell you with 100% authority about these "reports" is that doctors can be paid $$ to say anything.
With this in mind, a lot of these "findings" you read online must be taken with a grain of salt, as you have to also consider the agenda of who the author is. Well, the same is true with "vet studies" ... consider the source and who funded the "research." In other words, if the major company Purina funded the research, then you can bet your ass that it is going to be "kibble-biased," as I have personally seen articles be.
Most "professional vets" have Science Diet on their shelves, and I can assure you that there is no "science" anywhere supporting the use of 85% of the ingredients of that garbage as optimal canine nutrition. Yet that is what at least 90% of vets suggest you buy for your dogs, which is criminal IMO.
Jack
LK I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but what is the right way of feeding kibble? As I said before I have had dogs fed on kibble and they lived a long life, I just have noticed many good thing from a raw feed.
Any of u guys PERSONALLY know of anyone who has any kind of sickness due to eating hormone fed meat...
OBESITAS!!!!!!!!!!!!/Diabeties
Yes.
We used to eat a lot of the cheap grocery store chicken. I had not had a bladder infection in about 20 years but had a bad one in spring 2012 which took 2 courses of antibiotics to get rid of. Then I had another one in Oct 2012 also requiring more antibiotics...
So I am concerned about the supposed link between antibiotics in chicken and bladders infections in humans as certainly my own recent troubles were caused by something. We are now eating a so called antibiotic and hormone free naturally raised chicken.
As the old saying goes. "we are what we eat" and this goes for humans and dogs both...
Common sense isn't so common these days.
So did the Dr. tell you that the infection started was due to the chicken? Did any of your other family members suffer from kidney infections?
Incredibly good post. This is great stuff.
I see validity in Limey's stance, yet I can't completely agree or move to that side of the table.
My dogs have improved in every aspect after switching from kibble to raw a year ago. My old dogs look younger, all my dogs are more active and feel better, look better, their dental health is insanely better, their skin and coats are immaculate......heck, their breath is 10x better. Water consumption, stool status and ovarall appearance. Their freakin waste line is insanely smaller.
I'll tell you another thing I've noticed. I've got a couple of dogs that look to have still been evolving, in a better condition, a full year after switching. It makes sense since they were on a kibble their entire life. But I have dogs that are still transforming for the better.
Limey, as for your statement of raw appearance, giving me a "false sense of condition", the only thing I can say to that is that kibble gives me a TRUE sense of condition b/c they just do NOT look the same, feel or act the same.
The bottom line for me is just the same as with humans, myself included.
If I feel better, look better, do more than before and my quality of life is better than before, then how in the hell is what I'm doing bad? Doesn't matter to me if a guy gets up every morning and drinks a pint of gasoline. If he gets the aforementioned results.....guess what.......I TOO shall start drinking gasoline.......Hell..it's worth a try.
Not last timeDogs fed om raw look spot on when on the chain. caried alot due to the antibiotics and hormone levels..THEY umongst cattle show you a wrong sense /state of health. but as soon as you realy put presure on them al the imbalanse risses to the sirfes.
As i mentioned earlier i just switched all my dogs from raw to dog lovers gold because it got to expensive. I know you can make feeding raw as cheap as kibble but I heard many good stories about this kibble, Jack also wrote a positive article about it so i thought id give it a shot. I've been feeding it for 5 weeks now but im far from satisfied yet. More/softer/stinkier stool, more piss in their kennels due to drinking allot. Their coat got rougher and i see allot of white dots in them (skin i supose) Also, they look skinnier although they weigh more!!! The only positive change i noticed is that 2 of my dogs who didnt hydrate themselves good enough when they were on raw, their skin bounces right back now. I will keep feeding it for 4 more weeks untill i finished my stock, then decide what to do.
Dog Lover's gold is good "for a kibble," but you will never get anywhere near as satisfying results using it as you will raw.
Jack
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