And Male B. He has the traits of both (proverbial) smart like Poncho game like redboy but he throws everything from Masons hammer to Teals Jeff and everything in between when bred to close family members. Where does he fit in if he is throwing all over his genetic map? Sort of bored waiting for paint to dry on the truck in the shop. My brain is sort of wandering this morning, it could be the fumes, not sure. EWO