Thanks Gameness...I'm running Chinaman/Little Gator. So far so good. Breed standard dogs. Great confirmation...great temperament ..game and tremendous drive. Lots of wind and mouth on them little dogs. Co own a dog that's Chinaman/Spike. Did have a pair of Eli/Carver/Reddevil dogs. Eli/Carver down from Gr Ch Art. But...unfortunately those two got old on me and passed two days apart. Those where some very game and super smart dogs. Im trying to locate pups from them two so I can get that blood back.