Yes it was from the MayDay/IceDay side that wasnt durable. I did a half brother/sister breeding(double up on Ch Red Apache) son of IceDay and the 2 males were DG dogs 1 winning the other picked up in OTC. They showed to be extremly game but when they were bit, their bodies didnt take the damage well while in the box. I also campaign their uncle, Assassins Red Chico, and he was layed out for 5 days after a :45 deal. Ch BYC's Code(couldn't survive a 1 hour deal) and everything down from him are the same way(son of Mayday/Nitrous) And further proof of that, just read the MayDay story and in there, MayDay got bit on the leg and was forced to retire until Victor's friend gave him some advice.