I am going to say this, I've seen rolls or off the chain matches that were far better than the shows. Some shows the dogs were overworked and By the time the show came around, they were a shadow of themselves. I've seen a dog win a show where I thought, I wouldnt feed that son of a bitch that won. Buck vs sandman made both dogs look average because they were so evenly matched. There are lots of variables. Personally, I like to keep two strains of the same line. I absolutely love the retarded crawl on all 4's swap it out tit for tat, screaming in the corner dog. But I also like the I'm going to finish you in the throat right away super smart super ability dog. For this reason, I am breeding all of Mr.Machobucks daughters to Machobear. The objective is to get one that has both qualities. I agree with both gentleman. The show is the ultimate test. Winning three proves something. However, as a breeder.. I know what I want, and I know what I have. Gameness for me in my line is important. If you told me I was going into the baddest straight ahead looking for the chest dog..I'd bring out Mr.Machobuck, if you told me I was going to need three hours, I'd bring machobear. But the objective is to end up with one that has all of those combined traits.