I have gotten the results back from the first breeding I did like this and all the pups were off of Insidious. Every pup in the litter had a black nose. The DNA results for Insidious were screwed up somehow(I think they lost them) and I had to resubmit them. Even with one of the sires DNA unavailable at the present they were still able to determine positively that Slim was not the sire. Now we just have to wait for the new DNA(blood sample) to come back to determine a 99.99% positive ID. It sucks that none off my favorite bitch were off Slim because I have 4 from a previous litter that are 22 months and I am more than happy with them. Hell, i'm honored to own them. That is the whole reason for this last push with the old dude. The other 2 breeding's like this I did are due back within a few weeks. Will keep posted.