Gameness is either there or not, you can add wind....how about ability?

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If the dog is placed on the jenny and refuses to budge how effective is the jenny.

In that situation, what is ineffective is the dog.

There's no need to continue the back and forth. You have stated your opinion and i have stated mine.

Exactly, so why do you continue to banter the same nonsense?

In regards to the jenny/keep and schooling aspects you choose to give the credit to the human. I choose to give more credit to the dog. I give the credit to the human in terms of selecting the rightdog to put in keep in the first place.

Yes, this has all been identified and re-hashed several times now ... almost to the point of qualifying for a Monty Python skit ... so thank you for yet another walk down this absolutely useless sidetrack.

At what point can we cease this stupid digression into the absurd and continue on with the point of the thread?

Jack

PS: You do remember the point of the thread, don't you? I think it had something to do with whether a dog's abilities/gameness, etc. can be enhanced or not, through training/schooling/experience/a bond with the owner, etc.?