I hear ya... So...let me ask this. What benefit would TG have saying Gr Ch Spike sired Little Gator vs Gr Ch Snakemans Pedro? Pedro was on his yard at the same time. He owned them both at that time. So what is the benefit? The both are Gr Ch. Hell....Pedro has double the wins. He's X9 plus two uncontracted. Seems to me they are both hella bulldogs ya know. Both where sought after highly. That's why I dont see any logic in lieing about that.