Originally Posted by YigYang
Thanks for posting
Thanks for posting
No problem.. i will try to keep everyone updated on info like this
IMO, for what its worth If Gr Ch's and Ch's are in the running together, it would seem obvious that the Ch's would get overlooked unless their Ch title was done in extreme devasting fashion. i know of Vengence, although I don't know him, and believe he definitely is as deserving as a few others that come to my mind, just from the references provided. Coming out of retirement to solidify his place definitely in history holds a lot more weight that some of the other factors that are often considered. Also, I see you put one of your dogs in the running that's a normal reaction from the gut as we all feel we should be given our just due, but also a tad bias from under my microscope. That being said, I think accepting the outcome is the noble thing to do as we dont have much unity in the sport as it is. Where bulldogs are concerned, everybody is a judge,but it is at the discretion of the one bestowing the award to make the final decision. Let's all respect that rather than critique or analyze the accurateness. We all get our time, but it usually is not under our control to decide when that time is. Such is life.
being that this is a sport and in all sports we have different opinions when it comes to who deserves different honors. Like now there r many people who believe breese deserves poy, and others think arron rodgers deserve it and who ever wins it desereves it but it's still a topic of conversaion. Do i think there where other hounds who deserved the honor yes but do i think that Vengeance didnt deserve it no. He in my eyes will come to be one of the greatest of all times and i give all kudos to him and his camp. If u dont stand behind what u believe then what u believe means nothing!!! If u ask sean payton he will say breese is the most valuable player and if u ask mike malarkie he will say arrron rodgers is, well i was pongo's coach and i gave my opinion to what i believe to be the case. Great job KC!!!IMO, for what its worth If Gr Ch's and Ch's are in the running together, it would seem obvious that the Ch's would get overlooked unless their Ch title was done in extreme devasting fashion. i know of Vengence, although I don't know him, and believe he definitely is as deserving as a few others that come to my mind, just from the references provided. Coming out of retirement to solidify his place definitely in history holds a lot more weight that some of the other factors that are often considered. Also, I see you put one of your dogs in the running that's a normal reaction from the gut as we all feel we should be given our just due, but also a tad bias from under my microscope. That being said, I think accepting the outcome is the noble thing to do as we dont have much unity in the sport as it is. Where bulldogs are concerned, everybody is a judge,
Fair enough friend, fair enough.
Looks like Vengeance's daughter (Ch Blaze) just made Champion, making Gr Ch Vengeance a Register of Merit producer two weeks after New Year.
What a helluva dog.
Jack
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did you see that match? i did and it was not doy worthy
I would at least put Gr CH Sofia in the runnings... She made grand and her only living son made CH the same year as well. But after reading about Gr Ch Vengeance, I see why he won.
8-)
You're more than welcome for the just due that your dog is getting. I saw the news over there and thought I would personally congratulate you over here, so I appreciate your comments and support here as well.
As for wiping the smile off of the faces of haters, I truly understand the feeling friend, as (after all) that is why my handle over there is SmileWiper
But, in all seriousness, congratulations on having a once-in-a-lifetime dog in Gr Ch Vengeance (2x DOY + ROM).
May he live a long life and launch a legacy.
Cheers,
Jack
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