Who is the Better Dogman?

[Officially Retired]

The guy who "goes through" a lot of dogs ... and only keeps "the best" ... or the guy who takes his time and brings out the best in each dog?

Curious where folks stand ...

Jack

[Doc Ellis]

Im fascinated by the story of a guy taking other peoples culls/curs and winning into good comp. Dont remember the name but to me that guy must be doing something really right.

if your just going thru the masses waiting for that ace or really good dog it just seems like youre relying on the dogs to do all the work.

this is coming from someone who hates culling so maybe my opinion is slanted.


the guys doing both, and I know theyre out there, are the dogfolks I wish I could, but will prolly never be.

[Officially Retired]

Im fascinated by the story of a guy taking other peoples culls/curs and winning into good comp. Dont remember the name but to me that guy must be doing something really right.
if your just going thru the masses waiting for that ace or really good dog it just seems like youre relying on the dogs to do all the work.
this is coming from someone who hates culling so maybe my opinion is slanted.
the guys doing both, and I know theyre out there, are the dogfolks I wish I could, but will prolly never be.

Ricky Jones is the guy who took Crenshaw's culls and made more winners, Champions, and Grand Champions with Crenshaw's culls than what Crenshaw ever made with what he kept ...

Good point!

Jack

[Acesaun]

The guy who "goes through" a lot of dogs ... and only keeps "the best" ... or the guy who takes his time and brings out the best in each dog?

Curious where folks stand ...

Jack

I always thought keeping the best dog and bringing the best out of him is the name of the game, I'm pretty sure most Dogmen aren't trying to bring the best out of a cur or any dog that's going to detrimental to his program.

[TopShelfKennels]

Some folks do/give the very minimum to there dogs and expect greatness from it. Cheap feed, sub-par housing for the dogs, and just poorly kept overal, and some people still blame the dog or line they come from when that type of owner is the problem. Those that give their dogs 100%, and aim for top health and nutrition are the type of dogmen i like to associate with.

[Officially Retired]

Some folks do/give the very minimum to there dogs and expect greatness from it. Cheap feed, sub-par housing for the dogs, and just poorly kept overal, and some people still blame the dog or line they come from when that type of owner is the problem. Those that give their dogs 100%, and aim for top health and nutrition are the type of dogmen i like to associate with.

Bingo. That's the way I see it. Only after the farmer lays the proper soil, care, and maintenance does he have the right to expect the most bountiful harvest.

The minimalist dogman who blames "his dogs" for not turning out, when he never did his complete job as a dogman, is as stupid as the minimalist farmer who blames "his crops" for not turning out, when he never did his complete job as a farmer.

Similarly, the crops that do turn out for the half-ass farmer will never be as healthy as they turn out for the farmer who does everything he can. In the same fashion, really smart dogs need more than just "minimal care" ... and those dogmen who provide minimal care, that I have seen, do not have very smart dogs at all.

JMHO

[skipper]

Some folks do/give the very minimum to there dogs and expect greatness from it. Cheap feed, sub-par housing for the dogs, and just poorly kept overal, and some people still blame the dog or line they come from when that type of owner is the problem. Those that give their dogs 100%, and aim for top health and nutrition are the type of dogmen i like to associate with.

Agreed

[Officially Retired]

I always thought keeping the best dog and bringing the best out of him is the name of the game, I'm pretty sure most Dogmen aren't trying to bring the best out of a cur or any dog that's going to detrimental to his program.

So do you think it works the same way with farming? You should only do your best "after" the crops grow ... or do you think that a farmer's best has to be sown every step of the way first if he expects to get the best overall yield?

Jack

[Acesaun]

So do you think it works the same way with farming? You should only do your best "after" the crops grow ... or do you think that a farmer's best has to be sown every step of the way first if he expects to get the best overall yield?

Jack

I agree it is like farming, what you put in is what you get back, no matter if it's farming, breeding, raising a pup,ect but there are occasion when you don't get back what you expect so what do you do, you get rid of what's not needed so to get a higher % of greatness or the best you associate the best with the best, So IMO I don't think there anything wrong with wanting the best producer, the best athlete, the gamest, the best what ever it is that you look for in a dog in order to acquire the best...JMO

[Officially Retired]

I agree it is like farming, what you put in is what you get back, no matter if it's farming, breeding, raising a pup,ect but there are occasion when you don't get back what you expect so what do you do, you get rid of what's not needed so to get a higher % of greatness or the best you associate the best with the best,

Very well said.

AFTER you've done your best, if the individual doesn't make it, then it sure isn't because of you.

We've all been disappointed by certain individuals, and we have all failed on our end with other individuals, but that doesn't mean new individuals still don't deserve our best.

So IMO I don't think there anything wrong with wanting the best producer, the best athlete, the gamest, the best what ever it is that you look for in a dog in order to acquire the best...JMO

I agree, there is nothing wrong with wanting your dogs to be the best, but there IS something wrong with this if the owner isn't willing to do his best first

Jack