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    Gameness is either there or not, you can add wind....how about ability?

    Can it be molded and nurtured to an advantage in any way?
    Just a thought.

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    Ability can improve threw school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LEFTLANE View Post
    Ability can improve threw school.
    "can" improve after every new contact. some dogs seem to keep learning

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    Any asset an animal has can be enhanced, or diminished, by the human element.

    This is what separates good dogmen from lousy dogmen ... namely, the ability to bring out the best in a dog, versus the worst in a dog.

    Jack

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    Quote Originally Posted by CA Jack View Post
    Any asset an animal has can be enhanced, or diminished, by the human element.

    Jack
    I completely agree with this statement.

    To me, enhanced, is the key word here. I don't think you can ADD anything, such as wind or ability. The ability to enhance some things is there, no doubt. For example, you're not going to take a dog with zilch for natural air and have it breath like a smooth running machine. You're still going to have dog with zilch for natural air, it just may be a step or two above the bottom rung of the Zilch ladder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CA Jack View Post
    Any asset an animal has can be enhanced, or diminished, by the human element.

    This is what separates good dogmen from lousy dogmen ... namely, the ability to bring out the best in a dog, versus the worst in a dog.

    Jack
    I disagree. I dont think that all assets can be enhanced. If a dog isnt a natural finisher i dont think the human element can make him such. As well as with ability, if the dog has low ability and cant wrestle i dont think the human element can change this. I believe it can be changed through schooling but i consider that the opponent teaching the prospect. Jmo. I would like to hear some ways that a human can enhance a dogs ability though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gotap_d View Post
    I disagree. I dont think that all assets can be enhanced. If a dog isnt a natural finisher i dont think the human element can make him such. As well as with ability, if the dog has low ability and cant wrestle i dont think the human element can change this. I believe it can be changed through schooling but i consider that the opponent teaching the prospect. Jmo. I would like to hear some ways that a human can enhance a dogs ability though.
    It is a human that chooses when where and with whom it is schooled with so it is definitely influenced by man. That's like saying, I didn't wreck my dog... his much bigger stronger and more experienced opponent wrecked him!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Hand View Post
    It is a human that chooses when where and with whom it is schooled with so it is definitely influenced by man. That's like saying, I didn't wreck my dog... his much bigger stronger and more experienced opponent wrecked him!
    I agree with you on the part that the human selects the type of dog they would like to teach their dog something in a schooling session. The place i dont agree is that the humans hand in it stops there. For example if your dog was rolled 3 times with all 3 opponents were front end dogs and all your hound ever learned in those 3 rolls was how to tuck his front legs. You decide for his next roll you want him to face a backend ace. What you are doing is trying to expose your dog to a different style(school him). Lets say when you release your dog the backend ace runs his scrarch and for the first time in his life he immediately tries to take a shoulder hold and never gets to touch anything for the duration. Your dog has still only experienced front end dogs. Yes the human can choose the opponent but the human cant make the opponent fight a certain way. Thats why i say its the opponet teaches the prospect. He gets exposed to a senario and its up to him whether he learns/adapts to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gotap_d View Post
    I would like to hear some ways that a human can enhance a dogs ability though.
    A dog in poor shape wont be able to use his ability to the fullest, not even close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skipper View Post
    A dog in poor shape wont be able to use his ability to the fullest, not even close.
    Im only talking about ability. Conditioning to me is an entire different category.

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