watching some great dogmen {} hog hunt they will call turn on their own hound to shift the responsibility so to speak. Some question the other hounds gameness by this method and or is it doubt in their own ?
watching some great dogmen {} hog hunt they will call turn on their own hound to shift the responsibility so to speak. Some question the other hounds gameness by this method and or is it doubt in their own ?
I'd use it if i thought i could benefit from a handle. If I doubt the other dogs gameness i use it to. If youre in a bad spot a quick handle a wash and a scratch could be what turns it around. Alot of shows are won due to better handling.
Your responsibility is to your dog, first and foremost, and then to hopefully pull out a win. As soon as you can get the scratching started, you should. Be quick to handle your own so the burden of the scratch is always on your opponent. However, you cannot be blatantly obvious in failing to handle your dog when free of holds after the first turn. I can tell you I was always a lot quicker to handle when we were up to scratch though.That is how the game is played.
Great post overall.Originally Posted by TFX
Your responsibility is to your dog, first and foremost, and then to hopefully pull out a win. As soon as you can get the scratching started, you should. Be quick to handle your own so the burden of the scratch is always on your opponent. However, you cannot be blatantly obvious in failing to handle your dog when free of holds after the first turn. I can tell you I was always a lot quicker to handle when we were up to scratch though.
However, failing to make a handle (when a handle is there to be made) is a foul, plain and simple, which can and should result in a DQ.
The order to "pick up free of holds" is a directive, not an option.
Jack
Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Some don't seem to know the rules, or disregard them to give an advantage to one side of the contest. Make certain you choose the right man or woman to be in the middle.
Sure, you have to handle free of holds after a turn, I'm just saying that it is very easy to be a few feet further away from your dog and a little slower when the opponent is up to scratch. Anyone who doesn't play the game like that is a damn fool. I can guarantee you when you are up against most top notch dogmen that is what is going on with the other side. Good dogmen do everything within the rules to give themselves an advantage.
Sure, it's very easy to do this, but it is still poor sportsmanship, not earnest effort.
Strictly speaking, anyone who does play the game "like that" is defying the rules, and as such can (and should) be fouled for it.
Justifying not following the rules with "Other guys do it too" arguments is invalid.
The simple truth is, a participant is either earnestly following the rules, or he's not, and those participants who deliberately transgress the rules are called "cheaters."
For this reason, if a participant is deliberately not following the directive of "pick up free of holds," when there's a clear opportunity, then that person can (and should) get warned, then fouled-out. Period.
Actually, deliberately being too far away to handle, or not trying to handle when you can, is not "within the rules" ... it is acting in defiance of them
Jack
Same for people trying to claim a foul when there was no chance to pick up.
If I call a turn on your dog the referee needs to recognize. If i call a turn on my own dog the opposite handler has to recognize? How many times can he deny the turn before the referee makes the call? I saw this some years back and I did not ever really think about it til this post. What gives? EWO
Old story. These topics make me think back to days gone by. We were 'set up'. We went up north to bring a young male out for the first time supposedly on a first time out dog as well. We get there and it is a two timer who needs a third to get to a 4XW a few months later. We brought three people like agreed upon and they looked like they were tailgating for a football game. Lots of arguing and attempt at bullying. A real hostile crowd, the proverbial 'in the bee's hive'. They give me this males resume and his accomplishments. They ask what I have to say to that and I say, " I don't give a shit about what he did yesterday as long as he is on weight today." Sets the crowd off again. Around forty minutes things are not as they had planned and they call a turn on their own dog. The referee asks me to recognize and I say, " I didn't come here to watch me and you make handles, and I didn't come here to watch scratching back and forth. I cam here to kill shit in the box". (Young and much more brazen in my younger days). The crowd erupted, my dog had earned their respect and I rode his coat tail to a win. Those cats were solid dog men and I am glad I call them friends to this day. Sorry for the length and the rambling. EWO
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