THE BADDEST DOGS IN HISTORY

[Officially Retired]

Let's start with the bitches

Off the top of my head, here are the 4 winningest bitches in history:

• Ken Allen's Gr Ch Tornado (10xW)
• Untouchable's Gr Ch Chewy (9xW)
• Abraham's Gr Ch Queen of Hearts (8xW)
• Bass' Gr Ch Molly Bee (8xW)

Now, most everybody knows about Gr Ch Tornado ... as well as Gr Ch Queen of Hearts ... and a lot of people know about Bass' (Edwards') Gr Ch Molly Bee ... but how many people know about Untouchable's Ch Chewy (9xW)?
I don't know who all her opponents were, but I remember a partner of mine, Rick S., say the bitch was a freak of nature, basically strewing her opponent's guts out, and it was nasty

Chewy won 3x for 3 different men, was severely undershot, and she couldn't really be conditioned as she she had bad hips. However, she was so powerful, she bit so hard, and she went in to such foul areas, that 9 opponents in a row couldn't take it and died trying, including Scratch & Stitch's Ch Reggie.

So I have 3 questions for the boardmembers here:

1) Does anyone see any RBJ in these pedigrees?

2) Has anyone actually seen any of these dogs go? And ...

3) Who do you think would win between them, if you paired them off--and why?

Would also like to know if anyone is aware of any other, legitimately badass, multi-winning bitches that should be included here?
(Yes, I know about Shady Lady, but she only won 5.) I am talking about the elite of the elite--7 wins or more. Thanks!

Comments/opinions?

Jack

[jawman]

European one http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com...p?dog_id=78348

[Officially Retired]

Nice.

But instead of hooking to PedsOnline, why don't you actually contribute something here and add her information to this database

We'd all appreciate that, I know I would, not to mention you can pull a TON more statistics off this database than that one.

Thanks,

Jack

[jawman]

Nice.

But instead of hooking to PedsOnline, why don't you actually contribute something here and add her information to this database

We'd all appreciate that, I know I would, not to mention you can pull a TON more statistics off this database than that one.

Thanks,

Jack

Next time will it be on this database
tnx
J

[EWO]

Mr. Edwards, now RIP, told me this story. I will paraphrase. Guys called and said that had one of the great Molly Bee. He passed the information to Mr. Bass. They had a bitch that was going to go into Molly Bee's mouth. Money was not right so things had to be worked out. Finally got it ironed out and things were set. Mr. Edwards had walked away from pit side when he heard, "Release your dogs", it was crowded and it took him a minute or so to work his way back. Just before he got there he said it sounded like a .22 rifle went off, a loud crack. The next thing he heard was, "It's over". The bitch did indeed go into Molly Bee's mouth and Molly Bee broke her face in half. Bit down on the muzzle and broke it completely in half. First bite, one bite, broke the muzzle in half.

Some of the first dogs I ever saw were down out of Molly Bee and Snooty. With her later being stolen there was never a lot of Molly Bee blood, some but not as much as would have been registered to her.

Like a lot of the greats, there are multiple pedigrees on Molly Bee. Mr. Edwards looked several in the eye and told them the truth. Those truths often differed, but he liked it like that. EWO

[CYJ]

EWO, I was there that day. I understood and was told through the grapevine. That Bass and Katie had a big Red Boy bitch that could take the steam out of Molly Bee. Could go mouth to mouth with Molly Bee. Do not remember the name of the big Red Boy bitch they used. Everybody knew who Molly Bee was. LOL

The match went down over in Dillon county many years ago. Was done in a no longer used, country store or maybe a jute joint. Was a big turn out and we were packed into that building like sardines in a can. LOL I was standing close to where Bass and Katie where.

It was sort of ironic because the younger well heeled dog man that bought and campaigned Molly Bee for Mr. Edwards, had the last name of Bass as well. The younger dog man was from down Georgia way. He also matched a little 29 or 30 pound bitch that came off my yard. This little bitch was a me me of Molly Bee in fighting style. Was Bass' CH Candy and had a set of teeth in her mouth that would look good in a 50 pound dog's mouth. LOL

Bass who had the Red Boy bitch stood outside the main door of the building and charge everyone a fee to see the match. It was a pretty steep fee back then that he charged and many of the Indians were complaining about it. Bass took up a good chunk of gate money that day. Seems it was $15.00 or $20.00 a head. Back then it was around $5.00 and up to maybe $10.00 tops.

During the weigh in and washing. Both Bass' and Katie were taking good side bets. Jacobs took some good ones along with some of his combine, on Molly Bee. I am pretty sure he did not bet on the Red Boy bitch.

I think Rowell may had worked the Red Boy bitch and did the handling. Not sure who handled Molly Bee, might have been Hargrove. But not 100% sure anymore on all the above mentioned musings. So will stand corrected if wrong. This event was a lot of years ago.

It went down just like Mr. Edwards said. On the get go of release your dogs. Molly Bee pile drove that Red Boy bitch before she could barely get out of it's corner. Was like a huge male lion hitting a Zebra at full running and attack force. You could her the muzzle crack and other bones as well. This Red boy bitch was screaming and hoping for some fast relief. Was no scratching anything that day. Only instant and fast death. Miss Doctor Death in black had arrived in full force. Her name was Molly Bee.

R. Bass always smoked and had a big cigar in his mouth. When Molly Bee hit that Red Boy bitch. His eyes went wide, lost the color in his face and almost swallowed that cigar. He turned and forced himself through the crowd, ran outside, jumped in his car and speed off down the road to who knows where.

Bass kept all the gate money, never honored the money on the match or any of the side bets. Bass left Katie there holding the bag. Those Pembroke Indians were mad as hell and out for blood and revenge. Some had Katie surrounded and I felt they may, were going to hurt her. Katie was very scared, broke down and started crying. Asking those men not to hurt her, that she was a mother of children with no father to help her take care of them. She was all her children had. Which was true. Katie took good care of her children and was a hard working woman.

Sure Katie honored her bets, but Bass never honored anything. Later he pulled off the same stunt, when Katie matched one of her Red Boy bitches named Mouthy into J. Johnson's Rage bitch. Was pretty well a repeat of what Molly Bee did to that other Red boy bitch. I was there that night as well. Rage got into Mouthy's guts and it was all over but the crying and the dying. Meanwhile ole Bass of Red Boy fame was hauling Arse down the road with the Gate money and never honored the money put up on the match. I can only assume Katie covered most of that.

Was not long after that Katie beat the hell out of Bass with a shovel after Bass deliberately had hurt her son Bo. When just a small child at Katie's Trailer park. Her son Bo told me about this last year when I talked with him. Bo had no love for R. E. Bass, Katie ended up with the last of the Red Boy dogs including Red Boy himself. The Red Boy dog died on Katie dog yard. Think Red Boy lived to be around 14 years old.

Not to much longer after all that Bass died. Katie was the main person along with C. Mims and a few others that really bred up and carried on what we know as the Bass Tramp Red Boy blood line today. Cheers

[Officially Retired]

Always fun to read these old tales, thanks for sharing

Anyone see Ch Chewy?

[CYJ]

The baddest dogs I saw personally while in the dog game, male or female. First on the listings. (# One) would be Gr Ch Molly Bee, never ever seen nothing like her before and after. (# two) was V. Jackson's Hank (2xW). ( # Three) was L. Pratt's Vindicator (2xW). (#4 ) was the W. Kelley's Ch Willie dog). (#5 was J. Johnson's Gr Ch Miss Rage) and (#6) was the Chandler's Face (2xW) bitch I later owned. (#7) was Davis' Gr Ch Boomerang. (# 8 ) Garner's Ch Dolly. (# 9) V. Jackson's Ch Stagger Lee and (#10) Bass' Ch Candy.

There are others as well. These dogs had real pit smarts, were all very hard mouth, hard charging dogs with lots of endurance. Anywhere they placed their mouth, serious damage was done to muscle/tendon and bone. Not later in the dog pull but right before your eyes in real time. Cheers


JACK'S NOTE: Hope you don't mind, CYJ, but I added links to the names you listed, so folks could see the pedigrees. Cheers back

Ditto Jack, thanks. I needed to make one correction. I did not personally see the Garner's Dolly bitch go. Truett won one with her dam Black Beauty and one with Dolly over P. Powell both times. Last time I saw V. Jackson was when he came up this way and picked up Dolly. Took her back to Texas. He won a good match and I believe Tom Garner did as well after he bought Dolly from V. J. Was told by all that Dolly was a rough bitch that had lots of finish. Cheers

[LEFTLANE]

CYJ. I'm jealous of your memories.

[Infidel77]

I was born in the wrong era. I too love these old stories