OTC

[ROCK-MACHINE]

Do you consider an off the chain W or L a legit contest ?

[EWO]

Personally, I do.

Granted seldom is OTC actually OTC, at least one or sometimes both are somewhat prepared.

A true OTC would take the conditioner/conditioning out of the equation. Tons of dogs have won on conditioning and even more have lost due to poor conditioning.

An OTC should be a tru-er representation of what the dog is.

I also think OTC is a close cousin to doing the dog the first time on the cheap so it counts. Most that do the first one on the cheap don't put an all out keep. it is sort of like the final game test but with a little something riding on it.

I also think the disconnect comes when a roll is later is tagged an OTC win. If the contract match rules are followed then it is a match, worked or not.

EWO

[ROCK-MACHINE]

Agreed and well put as always. Anyone have an opposing view ?

[Carolina king kennel]

OTC safer in these times but if u roll on a buddy yard for free dat don't count OTC 2me is in da box with rules and bread on da line ref or not but definitely a man that's neutral 2 both party's bc if u take the same 2 hogz and do a keep 9\10 da results would be the same 😢💯👌

[Coach]

No - it's not official

[brasso]

^BOOM

[EWO]

I have never understood why the OTC has been frowned upon.

What is the difference between two dogs showing up on an agreed upon time and participating in a match with Cajun rules who are conditioned and two that do the same but off the chain?

If the OTC is a roll that was later called an OTC then there is some issue there.

But if two people show up, with a referee and it is conducted the same as a match, for me, there is no real difference.


EWO

[brasso]

Perception. One pro, the other not.

[EWO]

Explain.

Why is one more pro than the other?

Two people show up with two dogs. Both dogs are of equal weight, or it is accepted that one weights more than the other, there is a referee and the rules are in place.

Even if the dogs are worked people come in over or under all the time and do the dogs anyway, pushing the weight or getting the weight, and still doing the dogs.

The only difference would be the level of the conditioning.

And if we delve deeper into the subject:

If you are a world class conditioner and a world class handler and when we get tot he show you out handle me, and your dog has more gas int he tank and in turn you win....

does that diminish from the accomplishment of your dog? you?

No it does not.

The set up has been the same since the beginning, you need a weight and a date. Both are agreed upon and then it is a go.

EWO

[brasso]

One is sport that requires skill and the other isn't/doesn't. Also, what are the odds of getting two dogs at equal weights OTC? Setting a date at equal weights is not OTC. Don't you read the Stratton books?! Lol

Anyway, in the US it's a felony and I don't really care, just making convo; Not looking to get into a pissing match with anyone, but you just don't like the answer.

In a few years this country will belong exclusively to vegans and fagotts. So while this is an interesting topic, it deserves limited attention. Let's face it, the only thing most of us are fighting today (if anything) is papers. And some people end up going to jail for that too!