Mims' Ritz was 43-44ib he had 17 contract 17 kills
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Mims' Ritz was 43-44ib he had 17 contract 17 kills
Do you mean this finely-kept, healthy specimen?Quote:
Originally Posted by cdj396
Mims' Ritz
Where did you get your info TJ?
from Carl Mims
Not to question anyone's word, but that dog looks sickly to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdj396
Who were some of the opponents/kennels this dog beat?
Thanks,
Jack
PS: Ask Carl if he has any other photos, thanks.
He was 11 or 12 in that picture. He was old and sickly because he had an incredibly hard life the first 6-8 years. I can't vouch for 17 but he did win once over one of the Gaston Buck bred dogs in a short order RIP and then again over a G-Force Virgil/Clemmons Maverick/Sixbits bred dog. Both of those were RIP shows. He was extremely intense with a tremendous amount of mouth and he throat checked dogs early. The Gaston Buck bred dog was a one hold show. They were released and his first hold was a deep full grip in the throat and he never came out. Seems like it took 15-20 minutes to make a handle but it was over before that.
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=37883
This is a female I had some time ago. Her littermate brother ended up a lot like the Ritz dog. It sounds odd to say, but their fatal character flaw was simply they would not quit. They lived in a less than ideal place where they were pulled off the chain every time someone wanted to see two dog's fight. Ramera de Negra's littermate brother went over an hour four-five-six Saturdays in a row. The fifth and sixth were done on top of injuries from #1 that were never healed and barely treated. There is no telling how many dogs he stopped by just not stopping himself. Average mouth, average ability but rough and durable, with enough heart for ten dogs.
Ritz fell into a similar situation early on. EWO
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=46998
This male was owned by the same guy that had my female's littermate I posted above. There is no telling how many he stopped, killed, ruined before he was rescued by Pure Power. From that point he won four, twice going over 2:30. I would not make a claim for a bunch of "wins" but I would not be afraid to say he 'did in' 10-12 before he actually won four.
EWO
Appreciate the feedback and rendition.Quote:
Originally Posted by EWO
Is that the best you can do with your dog entry ... just a dog name?
Should I just put in Poncho for my dog, Mayday, Jeep, etc.? Get rid of all the owner/kennel names ... and just have a bunch of ownerless/breederless dogs floating around here?
Would look pretty lame and sloppy wouldn't it?
That's kinda how that looks.
Did that dog have an owner?
If so, can you please put the owner's name in front of the dog, as is the proper way to register any dog?
Thanks :mrgreen:
Jack
PS: Throat dogs are murder.
That is how Darth Vader won 12 ... he was owned by Ricky Franklin in MS, who would bicycle the dog around the hood and "match" the dog into anyone with a bulldog. Vader won his first over the X-Men at 10 months of age. Lost to the Xmen at 13 months of age, where Zeus and Frank Jr. told me he was still acting like a puppy.Quote:
Originally Posted by EWO
I cussed Ricky out for fighting the dog so young, so we never spoke again after that, but a decade later Zeus and Frank Jr. of Xmen were over at my yard buying a few dogs, and they told me they advised Ricky to let him grow up, because he was so HUGE for his weight and so brutal. After the age of 2 Ricky fought the dog 11 more times and won every fight. Darth Vader won 12 fights total ... and XMen told me he would have been a living legend in the hands of a top dogman. Frank Jr said the dogs was an ace ear dog that could kill in the throat also. I have had small dogs like that, but this was a Mayday-sized dog, yet untouchable, could finish with one hold. The sad thing is, his resume isn't worth talking about, because most of the fights were local yokel deals. The dog was never bred and died of heartworms. Same level of "care" as Ritz.
That photo of Ritz was taken on the yard of a greenhorn who had him at the time for breeding purposes...The guy tried to hook Ritz up with a female he had in heat and ole boy hit the bitch in the guts and killed her before he knew what was going own...Scared the shit out of him and he just stopped feeding and taking care of the dog....Would not even take the dog out of the car when he brought it back to Carl....Now 17 wins I don't know but he got a few for sure....The dog was a pure Animal in the woods....He thought it was supper time....The dog had a hard life....
The 'UNKNOWN' buttons for the breeder and owner were never active and I can't click on them to update. We had a power failure when I was making the pedigree and when I completed the pedigree at a later time those options were no longer available to me. I also found that some of the pedigrees I made were the same way. I contacted CYJ about the pedigree sections I did not have access to and he fixed them.
If the 'UNKNOWN' section for breeder and owner are active I will make the corrections/additions.
And yes to both questions, looked lame in comparison and throat dogs are murder. EWO
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Originally Posted by CA Jack
Okay, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by EWO
The dog became a "core dog" when we created that feature. I have changed this and you can now edit.
Would you please complete the entry on it?
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=37883
Also, adding some of his history to the notes would be interesting too, for those who come upon the pedigree but might not have read this thread :)
Couple things on that ped....Hollands Dollar and Hollands Red Girl are littermates....Also on peds online it seems a lot of the dogs out of Red Baron and Miss Spazz have James Edwards breeding them...This is also false...While James did get some pups off of both dogs he never had anything to do with either and they were never on his yard at any time...Both dogs were bought from Vernon Jackson by Tim Pernell....Dwight Pulley and his partner went and picked them up for Tim from VJ....While he was still in SC....Dwight Pulley later got both dogs when Tim was shot and killed 1 night after a dispute at a local store....
Hate to Hijack the thread..
No hijacking. I could tell that same story but it is always better coming from the source. Tim was a few years older than me but we played a little baseball together in he mid 80's. Heck of an arm. All that happened while I was away.
Speaking of hijacking, you should type while Pops talks and drop some of that old school knowledge.
He will laugh here. "You can come back anytime you like, but don't bring that loud mouthed SOB with you"
EWO
Not a hijack at all, good feedback with clarifying info.Quote:
Originally Posted by dtakennels
Not arguing, simply b/c I do not know first hand, but McManus is known to be an honest man.Quote:
Originally Posted by CA Jack
Not discrediting anything Mr. Cates said, just contradicts what a lot of folks in this area think about Jeff.
Food for thought
Sometimes it's hard to know who to believe, true.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Quarter Kennel
No doubt about that. Like anyone I've met and had some business with, if I can offer my own perspective, I will, especially if it's positive. Doesn't change anything......just my understanding.
The dogs are SUBMERSED in bullshit and bullshitters.......too bad. Mucks up the waters!
Totally agree. It's a large part of the problems w/the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Quarter Kennel
AJAX MONGOOSE
I have got to give the nod to HK Mike:
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...hp?dog_id=7498 she really was just that good in the box!
Dog Boy Matt:
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...hp?dog_id=8854 the general, was a total package!
hmmm ch pandi tried to go into nine milli. and matt just bred morocco he didn't campaign him.
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Originally Posted by MOSES
Both are definitely great dogs ...
Neither is anywhere near "Baddest Dog of All Time" status ... not by a country mile (imho)
Jack
Pandi (shoulda, coulda, woulda), that I don't know. I'll say I have never known or heard of Mike ducking anyone, but I could be wrong. Fact is she made GR CH and looked damn good doing it. The only thing that puts a damper on her carrier is we will never know how she could done if she spent more time in the brood box. I don't know much about Tec, but I would say he was a hell of a start.
Really, you can't look past Matt, that is crazy! If he was JUST the breeder, Tom was JUST the money. If I wanted a (morocco/mike/tuffy/or a poodle), Tom would NOT be my POC (not banging on Tom). IMO, Matt is a dogmans dogman, but that's me. BIBO and I were just talking to about this very thing the two weeks ago, and it really came down to what you call a dogman? I am new to the forum, not the work.
Anyway, I digress, the post was about the dogs not the breeders/owners.
As for the dog, he was a general. He made ROM in a short but productive stud carrier. % wise if you dump all the breedings that never happened and really took a head count on the dogs, you'll see that he was a very good producer. Out of his litter of 4 dogs (1-CH/ROM male, 1-1x male, 1-ROM female) As a line the dogs they have been held hostage, IMO. If Victor or Jack would have owned the dog, his carrier would have taken a different track. One way or another...
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/...n1/image-4.jpg
Blackrocks' Gr Ch Candy
Candy was one of the best we have ever seen period. She's more impressive than GRCH Chilindrina(seen her twice), GRCH Copperhead(seen her 3 times), GRCH Chuma(seen her twice), and to me better than GRCH Cheyenne also. Joyero thinks it's a tossup between Cheyenne and Candy. Candy is much smarter IMO and nothing ever touched her, Cheyenne took a while to figure out a very good nose dog. Candy took out 2 killing CH's, one I was quite worried because I had seen her twice and she was a killer that had it all, but Candy gave it back to her very hard, they couldn't believe it. Too much speed, ability, intensity and finish. The last was the killer Ch Angela 4xw that took the faces off 3 worthy opponents. Angela was the favorite, didn't last very long. Angela couldn't take the pressure and jumped in 6 min, lol. candy is one of the best we have ever seen male or female out of thousands. And the smartest most intense finishing throat dog without a doubt.No one is on Candy's level.
I just reposted this statement.
That's where all the drama begin, bc of 9 winning her 4th it was supposed to be Pandi for the GrCh title, I remember J with a Ch bitch at 36 or 38 trying to get it settled bc at the time it was another winner Pandi was about to go into. But she was going to turn it down for opporunity to beat 9 so she could solidify her GrCh title. 9 was supposedly retired and even was said to have passed but then she won her 5th lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by MOSES
I agree can't look past neither, and shoot if Bibo still got that stuff.. He would be the one of the 1st calls..Quote:
Originally Posted by MOSES
Morocco was def a very good producer i remember seeing a few off him.. Only one that i didn't like was Doug, that show with Ch Lil Buck was BS.. Def wasn't no game loss, the dog jumped before things even got started and they agreed on some redo shit and he quit again.Quote:
Originally Posted by MOSES
What about ch melon head is there a story or info on this dog he won 12 or 17 with 2 losses that's a great record
Melonhead lost 1 match to P. Comeaux and his T-Bone dog.
Thanks frosty do u know if that was his last or in between and u have any other info his style or anything ???
Lightningstrikes
I believe after Melonhead lost to Ch T-Bone that he came back and defeated that same dog, but I am not sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by lightningstrikes
Firecracker's story is kind of a downer, really.
Don't see how anyone would let their 8xW finally die in the pit ...
Jack
It's a shame what some people do to these dogs.. Blunt wore down teeth, past their prime, eating bullshit food, yet forced to go one more time to line their owner's pockets, prove a senseless point, and the only thing that's lost is a damn good animal... In this case a pair of good animalsQuote:
Originally Posted by CA Jack
That's what separates gamblers from dogmen...
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=40453
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=27490
Here's 2 greats that were recently bred together.
Deserves a mention as one of the baddest modern era dogs ALIVE.
https://i.imgur.com/FrsUema.jpg
1xw in 28min against Camacho knls Chapo
2xw in 38min against Frontera knls Caro Quintero
3xw in 27min against Candela knls Popeye
4xw in 40min against SM's Cayman 2xw
5xw in 40min against Frontera knls Ch Cachorro 3xw
6xw in 1h10min against Team Cro's Ch Dylan 3xw
7xw in 2h35min against Kim knl's Ch Bady 3xw
https://i.imgur.com/EhZSBvp.jpg
I havent viewed the rest of the 11 pages but AJAX comes to mind
Agreed on Ajax. There was a time when he was referred to as the Texas Terror.
Tons of finish.
EWO
Another from the modern era is Gr Ch Goon Goon (5XW-1XW OTC)...
https://i.imgur.com/j7wpXeO.jpg
...and the old man is still healthy as can be seen from his appearance at this years Cajun Classic.
https://youtu.be/bZ6dqZAsBxE
Some other modern era bad asses :
Gr Ch Turbo
https://i.imgur.com/7NYkmR3.jpg
Gr Ch Big Whiskey
https://i.imgur.com/AHzEVmI.jpg
Gr Ch Eulogy
https://i.imgur.com/nnshCLo.jpg
Gr Ch .22
https://i.imgur.com/2sVIhzQ.jpg
Gr Ch Steven
https://i.imgur.com/fCW54rN.jpg
Gr Ch Jesse
https://i.imgur.com/6ZRzn7U.jpg