New GRAND CHAMPION – F2F and Solo’s El Titere 5XW – Son of CH Panthro 4XW

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Originally Posted by CA Jack

Doggers commonly lack common sense :mrgreen:

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And unfortunately now a days CLASS and RESPECT!

SHOWBOX

I would say probably the only knock on his last opponent was that he quit, on top no less, to a dog he was just mauling. It's not so much that the dog lost, but it's how he lost that probably have people snickering or talking shit.

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Originally Posted by FrostyPaws

I would say probably the only knock on his last opponent was that he quit, on top no less, to a dog he was just mauling. It's not so much that the dog lost, but it's how he lost that probably have people snickering or talking shit.

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That may very well be the case but it wasn't El Titere's camp who called out CH Omar 4xW now 2xL. In any case I only sought to give recognition to two gentlemen of the sport EL Solo and F2F and congratulate them on their new "GR CH".

And not for nothing but people will always talk, but it’s just that…talk.

SHOWBOX

just because it dont say gr ch next to the name does not mean anything peopl would be stupid to consider robert t lor melonhead not gr ch caliber dogs based on a loss

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Originally Posted by bolero

just because it dont say gr ch next to the name does not mean anything peopl would be stupid to consider robert t lor melonhead not gr ch caliber dogs based on a loss

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This is true ...

5 wins GrCh, 10 double GrCh,

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Originally Posted by SHOWBOX

That may very well be the case but it wasn't El Titere's camp who called out CH Omar 4xW now 2xL. In any case I only sought to give recognition to two gentlemen of the sport EL Solo and F2F and congratulate them on their new "GR CH".

And not for nothing but people will always talk, but it’s just that…talk.

SHOWBOX

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CH. OMAR was Never A 4xw he was a 3xw 2xL . Balboa was open to both !
OMAR Chose to go into a 2xw instead of going into Balboa
El Titere chose to go into Ch OMAR 3xw 1xl at the time .
The Balboas 3rd attempt everything their way just to make it happin el titere paid the FF after speaking with Triangle Gang about Balboa !

GR.CH TIETRE 6XW A great dog who everyone doubted thru his whole career. He is so good at what he does he makes it look easy, stopped one from making GR Ch while earning his sixth. Hats off to a great dog and camp. Yis Ole Man(D.M.D.K)

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Originally Posted by CA Jack

Easy. Same thing as what we do with a Champion.

For example, if your Champion wins 3 and loses his 4th, he is still called a "Champion," is he not, and he still deserves to be called as such. He does not get his title stripped!

IMO, the same logic should apply to Grand Champion. A dog that wins 5 contracted matches is still a "Grand" Champion, he just finally lost, same as the 3xW Champion is still a Ch who finally lost.

In human fighting, Sugar Ray Robinson finally lost too ... so did Ali ... so did Jack Dempsey, Marvin Hagler, Michael Spinks, etc. Yet they are all HOF all-time-great Champions.

Jack

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Those men you listed are ex-champions not champions. They lost their titles which is no different than a Grand Champion losing his title after a loss. Maybe the boxing analogy would make sense if you were arguing that champions should lose a title if they lose but I'm not sure how it works when applied to saying a Grand Champion shouldn't lose his. Most sports you are not given a title in perpetuity. In boxing you must defend your title, if someone beats you you become a former champion. In team sports you must make it back to the finals and defend or your team becomes former champs. HOF has nothing to do with it as losing one doesn't stop a dog from being considered HOF worthy. Dogs really don't even have to win to be considered worthy of HOF. Sporting HOF is based on your past accomplishments. Championships are more an indication of your current.
status.

I like how a lot of the European dog men do it by listing their dogs as Ex-Grand Champions. Which is becoming a title all on it's own in a way.

To be honest I don't have an issue with it one way or the other. But I do see valid points on both sides of the argument. Still kinda comes down to putting too much faith in titles. Titles don't always speak to the depths of a given career.

" Titles don't always speak to the depths of a given career. "
DRZ :appl: