Made the father CH and son GR CH! Congratulations, you all deserve it. GR CH El Titere sounds so much better. You guys are two true gentlemen and professionals. God bless you and your dogs.
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Made the father CH and son GR CH! Congratulations, you all deserve it. GR CH El Titere sounds so much better. You guys are two true gentlemen and professionals. God bless you and your dogs.
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Did you see the dog go? If so, how do you rate him?
Saw some shit-talk about how the dog he beat was a 1xL, but they forgot to say 3xW, 1xL.
Hell Ch Rocky was a 3xW, 2xL and his losses were to Gr Ch Buck and Gr Ch Ace--and there is no shame in losing game to a great dog.
I think too many people are punks who can't appreciate a game effort. Hell, Joe Louis lost, Muhammad Ali lost, Sugar Ray Robinson lost, tons of great fighters have lost ... it doesn't mean they weren't great.
Jack
Obviously this is all fictional and so as such, yes, I did see the dog go. As to how I’d rate him, let’s just say that he’s the hard way.Quote:
Originally Posted by CA Jack
The dog he beat was actually a 4XW 1XL who was going for his GR CH as well. Unfortunately there will always be people out there who will attempt to discredit any dog, or anyONE, for that matter. It’s like I always say, “If they talked about Jesus Christ, then they’ll talk about you.” In my opinion not enough credit is given to GR CH El Titere. It’s not enough that he made CH in under a year and GR CH in 13 months?! What I believe tends to happen is that he just makes his competition look bad. People believe that it was just too easy, instead of believing he’s just that good.
In any case, he’s still open. So, if anyone feels he’s not the “truth” they can find out for themselves, or just continue to talk. ;)
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Is it only in fiction that one with a L can still make gr ch?
Congrats
GrCh El Titere is a BULLDOG! The hound he beat was a bulldogs too regardless of what some are told. Hats off to F2F and L Solo, great job they're doing with the Ch Panthro stock, I'm sure you'll hear of more good ones coming off Ch Panthro. I saw a few more off him that should make the cut. TSK
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Originally Posted by R2L
I'v noticed the Boomer redboy blood seems to click real nice with Frisco blood.
Ch Pantho
Gr Ch El Titere
Ch Kimbo
Ch Little Boomer
Ch Gucci
Are there anymore champions or good dogs from this cross ?
Actually, I have always felt that was a load of crap, that a dog should "lose" his Grand Champion title if he loses a match. This idea was invented by Jack Kelly, and to this day people follow it like lemmings.
If we compare this stupid notion to boxing, then Sugar Ray Robinson, Mohammad Ali, Roberto Duran, Joe Louis, etc. could never be "Grand Champions" or HOF Champions, which of course is ludicrous.
To say a 6xW like Yellow is a "real" Grand Champion (even though he never faced a great dog), but to say a dog like Robert T is "not" a Grand Champion (when he beat two 4xWs and two Grand Champions, among many other winners) is simply preposterous IMO.
I know this is a whole other subject than this thread, but to snicker at a dog who won 5x, just because he happened to lose once, is pretty lame IMO.
Jack
You are exactly right Jack. I don't agree with the "traditional" way at all.
How is this dog NOT a SUPER GR. CH?
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=27180
Exactly, MelonHead would be the quintessential example of the folly.
If ever there was a GRAND Champion, he surely was it.
I was laughing at the way in which R2L worded his reply, it was the fiction part that tickled me. But like it or not Jack (and I don't btw) it's commonly accepted by everyone in dogs, that a dog who loses a match either can't go for his Gr Ch title or would lose it if he's already attained it.
Your example of Robert T losing his Gr Ch title was a good one and it's equally preposterous of a dog not being given the opportunity to attain his Gr Ch title if he/she happened to lose one early in their career. An example would be Ch Silver, he waxed a gr ch, lost his second while sick, then went on to wax another 2 grand champions and a champion. But he could never go for a Gr Ch title, or ever be recognised as a Gr Ch because he had a loss on his record.
Anyone who stops to actually think about it for a second, can see it's absurd, but like i'v already said, it's become so commonly accepted and ingrained amongst dogmen, most wont even give it a second thought. It's simply just accepted as the way it is.
I don't subscribe to it but i understand the online sdj has alot of people reading it, so it potentially could have a big influence in the way dogmen think if an article was written regarding this outdated rule. Someone with your writing skills could change the way alot of people think if you ever chose to do an article on this.
I am well-aware that the notion is commonly-accepted, and it was the sarcasm that I was referring to when I made my post. That is why I made it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MTK
The mentality to trivialize a dog's accomplishments, and to reject the idea that a great dog can lose, is precisely why I made my post.
There are many examples of great dogs that have lost (as well as great human boxers who have lost), which is why discounting a dog's greatness (or all-time title) is preposterous. Jack Kelly is the one who originated the "rule" that any dog that loses cannot be a Grand Champion, and (as I said) the majority of bulldoggers follow this credo like lemmings, even though Jack Kelly and his mag are gone. It is an ignorant way to think IMO, and unfair to many great dogs. IMO, any dog that wins 5+ times in top competition is a "Grand" Champion, way beyond the normal competitor.Quote:
Originally Posted by MTK
Well, that is exactly what I intended to do, and in fact did do, and that is de-rail the common mentality here, wipe the snicker off of some faces, and give a reality check :idea:Quote:
Originally Posted by MTK
That is a good idea, and the owner has asked me to write some articles for his mag, I just haven't gotten around to doing so yet. But that would be a great place to start.Quote:
Originally Posted by MTK
Jack
i understand what you mean jack, but what criteria do we go by then?
Easy. Same thing as what we do with a Champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by sinister
For example, if your Champion wins 3 and loses his 4th, he is still called a "Champion," is he not, and he still deserves to be called as such. He does not get his title stripped!
IMO, the same logic should apply to Grand Champion. A dog that wins 5 contracted matches is still a "Grand" Champion, he just finally lost, same as the 3xW Champion is still a Ch who finally lost.
In human fighting, Sugar Ray Robinson finally lost too ... so did Ali ... so did Jack Dempsey, Marvin Hagler, Michael Spinks, etc. Yet they are all HOF all-time-great Champions.
Jack
cant follow the whole discussion but
this, no disrespect. to much "rules" not everyone agrees with made up some time but seemingly no one can change them. im searching for a poll about this matter which was done a while ago... can't find it.Quote:
like it or not Jack, it's commonly accepted by everyone in dogs, that a dog who loses a match either can't go for his Gr Ch title or would lose it if he's already attained it.
IMO the ones that are eager to discredit dogs and/or dogmen are the ones that aren't good enough to succeed themselves. Any dog that wins 5 is worth the GRCH title. People don't realize how hard it is to campaign a dog. And how much of a dog it takes to actually go through 5 keeps, 5 shows and 5 aftercares. To have somebody who most often don't even match dogs or have produced winning dogs themselves trying to discredit is the most disrespectful thing there is. I know of a guy who claimed that the dog he saw was THE worst dog he ever saw. Later for some lame reason he decided match into that dog. One can only guess he thought it would be an easy win. Anyway he lost to the dog that they earlier had discredit to the point where he was THE worst dog he ever saw. With a dog that supposedly was an ace caliber dog. This is a perfect example of a guy that has no respect or knowledge in dogs.
Good post!
Thank you. It's basically common sense. But how often do so called doggers lack that attribute?=)
Doggers commonly lack common sense :mrgreen:
LOL
And unfortunately now a days CLASS and RESPECT!Quote:
Originally Posted by CA Jack
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I would say probably the only knock on his last opponent was that he quit, on top no less, to a dog he was just mauling. It's not so much that the dog lost, but it's how he lost that probably have people snickering or talking shit.
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Originally Posted by FrostyPaws
That may very well be the case but it wasn't El Titere's camp who called out CH Omar 4xW now 2xL. In any case I only sought to give recognition to two gentlemen of the sport EL Solo and F2F and congratulate them on their new "GR CH".
And not for nothing but people will always talk, but it’s just that…talk.
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just because it dont say gr ch next to the name does not mean anything peopl would be stupid to consider robert t lor melonhead not gr ch caliber dogs based on a loss
This is true ...Quote:
Originally Posted by bolero
5 wins GrCh, 10 double GrCh,
CH. OMAR was Never A 4xw he was a 3xw 2xL . Balboa was open to both !Quote:
Originally Posted by SHOWBOX
OMAR Chose to go into a 2xw instead of going into Balboa
El Titere chose to go into Ch OMAR 3xw 1xl at the time .
The Balboas 3rd attempt everything their way just to make it happin el titere paid the FF after speaking with Triangle Gang about Balboa !
GR.CH TIETRE 6XW A great dog who everyone doubted thru his whole career. He is so good at what he does he makes it look easy, stopped one from making GR Ch while earning his sixth. Hats off to a great dog and camp. Yis Ole Man(D.M.D.K)
Those men you listed are ex-champions not champions. They lost their titles which is no different than a Grand Champion losing his title after a loss. Maybe the boxing analogy would make sense if you were arguing that champions should lose a title if they lose but I'm not sure how it works when applied to saying a Grand Champion shouldn't lose his. Most sports you are not given a title in perpetuity. In boxing you must defend your title, if someone beats you you become a former champion. In team sports you must make it back to the finals and defend or your team becomes former champs. HOF has nothing to do with it as losing one doesn't stop a dog from being considered HOF worthy. Dogs really don't even have to win to be considered worthy of HOF. Sporting HOF is based on your past accomplishments. Championships are more an indication of your current.Quote:
Originally Posted by CA Jack
status.
I like how a lot of the European dog men do it by listing their dogs as Ex-Grand Champions. Which is becoming a title all on it's own in a way.
To be honest I don't have an issue with it one way or the other. But I do see valid points on both sides of the argument. Still kinda comes down to putting too much faith in titles. Titles don't always speak to the depths of a given career.
" Titles don't always speak to the depths of a given career. "
DRZ :appl:
Congrats again to that bad mofo Gr Ch Titere!!!!
Good post and rebuttal.Quote:
Originally Posted by drz
All that chitter chatter goes back to one thing. ENVY. Jealousy is motherfucker these days I mean it just kills some people to give credit when credit is due. My hats off to the breeder, teacher, conditioner, handler, & last but not least the dog itself. They probably started hating on that dog from day one, I also noticed how none of Boomer haters said shit about that nice lil list of winners, talk is cheap and opinions ain't worth shit cause all the bullshit stops between them four corners.
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Originally Posted by CA Jack
They lose their belt not their title once a world champion always a world champion no matter how many times they lose......
For all those haters/none believed in a true game hound add one more W to Sir GRCH El Titere 6xw to all those whom hate on this fine example of wat a great one should be! Its a true sign of the times when people forgot wat a great one looks like these days! Hats off to the gentleman who brought a true warrior whom for sure would have earned his GRCH title if only he hadn't met another warrior whom heart was just a deep as his own! Congratulations to both side for showing to world class warriors! To the warrior who lost his quest for his GRCH title it has been years since we seen on whom carrier's the terms of wat we breed for when one can bring acrowd world class gengentleman to their feet you are you what we dream about! Congrads to Solo and FMK on such a great job and GRCH Titere 6xw you are for sure one of a bulldog
That is the truth if I have ever heard it! And to the one who came from a foreign land to do battle with a warrior with the same heart and skill and lay it all on the table and bring tears to grown men eyes! We thank you for showing the world what it is to be game! GAME a trait that so many people in this breed lacks! Had it been any other hound on any other day I am for sure you to would have this man made up title also! One hell of a display of world class a true history maker for dam sure! Keep hating but Sir GRCH Titere to the haters his record speaks for its self!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wise
These two come from a really good litter. All of them showed to have no quit in them.Quote:
Originally Posted by AmberLamps
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=20060
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=20057
No matter how good a animal is, there will always be at least one non-believer. Anyone who has seen Gr Ch Titere and has something negative to say, cant judge a dog on any level. Critics are everywhere....
Nice man.Quote:
Originally Posted by RHC
I no longer run Frisco blood, but if I still had it, I definitely would of taken it to some Redboy/Boomer blood.
Congratulations to Grand Champion Titere and camp on a fine job, winning the last over a really good bulldog. Classy to pick up the game but beaten champ at the right time by the opponents. Liked them both!
I notice the naysayers aren't knocking at Titere's door to get at him LOL