Puppy transportation????

Would like to get some feedback on the method of transportation you feel is best for shipping puppies?

I have normally just used a ground transporter ,of the customers choice, to deliver the pup and never had any issues. Have heard the horror stories of others that have though.
Normal prices for the transporters I have used are 250/300 for adults and 200/250 for pups with deals if they are small enough where 2 can fit in same kennel. That is for basically the mid west and east coast.

What are some of the draw backs for flying pups or grown dogs?

I just flew 2 to California in the same kennel on a Delta flight and it only cost $267.00 (C.O.D.) Everything went as smooth as butter and all I had to do was drop them off. I could of very easily had a friend drop them off and had no record of my shipping them at all. I just had the dude that bought them schedule the flight and have the pups sent cash on delivery. As long as you meet the kenneling requirements and have a good vet certificate it is very simple.

Pick up or self delivery...

Pro's/con's of pick up?

Pro's/cons's of self delivery?

My personal choice right now has been to have the person pay for the pup(in advance) and then pay me to deliver it as well. If it is just one person then they can just pay for gas and I will meet them as long as it is just a day long trip(total) to meet them in the middle. If I have a few going in the same area it works out awesome because I get a free vacation as well as knowing the pups made it to the people just as described. Down side is I have to pay $100 to my kennel dude to care for the dogs for a few days while I'm gone.

What do you think???

i dont understand why someone would deliver a pup. i think if someone has interest in one of your dogs its no more then normal then that he should arrange it all by him self. shipping ok...but delivering???
about air shipment, picking up costs about the same as transporting bij cargo. again, i think if you're serious about a dog you're going to buy you visit the breeder and go see everything for yourself, speaking about pro's... but thats just my vision,

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Originally Posted by R2L

i dont understand why someone would deliver a pup. i think if someone has interest in one of your dogs its no more then normal then that he should arrange it all by him self. shipping ok...but delivering???
about air shipment, picking up costs about the same as transporting bij cargo. again, i think if you're serious about a dog you're going to buy you visit the breeder and go see everything for yourself, speaking about pro's... but thats just my vision,

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Ditto that.

85% of the people who buy dogs from me come to pick them up. The rest get them shipped by airline.

I tried the ground transportation thing, but I just don't like it. Their schedules change like the wind, they always go off the beaten path to "pick up a new dog," and the dogs ALWAYS sit in those crates a whole lot longer than they have to ... and consequently they ALWAYS come dehydrated and looking "beat up." So if a man can't come get his dog, then he needs to use an airline. I can have a dog from FL to CA in a few hours by plane, but it would take a week or more by ground transport. And those guys don't stop and walk the dogs ever few hours, they ride them into the ground and walk them only when they stop for the day.

I think if a dog is too chopped up to be sent by a plane, then the guy needs to drive himself out to come get the dog. The dog can be walked-out/tended to more frequently that way. But I for one am not a fan of ground transporters.

Jack

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Originally Posted by R2L

i dont understand why someone would deliver a pup. i think if someone has interest in one of your dogs its no more then normal then that he should arrange it all by him self. shipping ok...but delivering???
about air shipment, picking up costs about the same as transporting bij cargo. again, i think if you're serious about a dog you're going to buy you visit the breeder and go see everything for yourself, speaking about pro's... but thats just my vision,

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PS: I also agree there is no way I am going to deliver a dog. In general, I won't do it at all, but (in special circumstances) if I do it, it sure as heck isn't going to be for free.

Generally-speaking, if the guy is too lazy to get his own dog/pup, then I won't even sell it to him. But if it's a guy who lives pretty far away and really can't make the drive, then the airports are the way to go. However, if I have to drive more than 1hr one-way to the airport, then I charge for my time, as that is going above and beyond merely selling an animal.

My dogs cost what they cost, based on the idea of "customer pickup," and I do give a certain amount of "free shipping" time, insofar as going to the airport is concerned. But if the airport is 3 hours away, then that is at least 6-hours of my day shot, roundtrip, and when that happens I am going to charge $30/hr for my time. In one case, I had to drive 7 hours to Atlanta (14-hours roundtrip) because the only airline delivering to that particular country my foreign customer lived in wasn't even in my state, so I charged $450 extra (time plus gas) to make that voyage on his behalf. And that is fair! My time/effort is worth money, anyone's is, and if someone doesn't believe that they are very naive. The customer paid it without one complaint, either, as their other option was to get on a plane and come get their dogs. But I sure as heck am not adding a 14-hour roadtrip free-of-charge.

Jack

Ultimately for me it is the customers responsibility in all circumstances to come get their dog. I just enjoy traveling and if they are going to pay for me to bring the dog to them it is just one more avenue of revenue that I can use. It is also a convenient safe option for the person I am selling the dog to. I am completely cool with taking a nice little trip somewhere (as long as expense are covered)so I can get a break once in a while.

I will not let anybody come to my yard for any reason. I have had to many dogs stolen due to people knowing where my old yard was.

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Originally Posted by ScratchAndGO

Ultimately for me it is the customers responsibility in all circumstances to come get their dog.

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Agreed.

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Originally Posted by ScratchAndGO

I just enjoy traveling and if they are going to pay for me to bring the dog to them it is just one more avenue of revenue that I can use.

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Of course, as long as you're getting compensated, and like to drive, that's a personal call. I personally have better things to do than tote dogs from Point A to Point B. I love to travel too, but not with dogs, with a camera :)

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Originally Posted by ScratchAndGO

It is also a convenient safe option for the person I am selling the dog to. I am completely cool with taking a nice little trip somewhere (as long as expense are covered)so I can get a break once in a while.

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It may be convenient and safe for the customer, but it is inconvenient and unsafe for you. The major factor you're not even thinking about is the fact, if you cross a state line to deliver a dog (and someone does something with his dog that's illegal), you could be charged with a RICO Federal Crime for interstate traffic/breeding dogs for illegal purposes. If the guy comes to you, and is the one crossing the state line, then he's the one who gets the RICO Act ... if you're the one delivering across state lines, you get charged with interstate traffic.

I only sell my pups for breeding purposes, but even still, no way in hell I would cross a state line to delieve a dog to any dogman, but that is just me. That is another reason I don't like using planes, but even here I have the customer book the flight. The only time I have ever crossed a state line to send a dog to someone was to another country where our laws don't apply.



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Originally Posted by redmistkennel

I will not let anybody come to my yard for any reason. I have had to many dogs stolen due to people knowing where my old yard was.

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I don't have anyone come to my yard for any reason either. I meet them at a local spot, pocket the balance owed, and deliver the dog.

Jack

Monster point on the RICO comment. I had not considered that. I am probably just going to start flying them.

yep very good point. i always had the pleasure to visit people's yard though which is a huge pro. traveled 4400 KM per car for my last aditions. don't think he was afraid id come back to steal a dog, lol.

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Originally Posted by ScratchAndGO

Monster point on the RICO comment. I had not considered that.

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I'm here to help 8)

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Originally Posted by R2L

yep very good point. i always had the pleasure to visit people's yard though which is a huge pro. traveled 4400 KM per car for my last aditions. don't think he was afraid id come back to steal a dog, lol.

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Yeah, back when I was starting out, it was nice to visit all the "big time" breeders' yards. Nowadays, though, it is just not very good judgment. Not in the US anyway.

Last time I let folks over to the yard was back when I was in TN. And even then, the only people I let in were either 1) longtime customers of mine who I knew were cool, or 2) dogmen who were both well-established veterans and had plenty of their own deep money. People with no money are the first types to try to steal and/or drop a dime on you. The last kind of person I would let in would be some fast-talkin', "just-got-in," snaggle-toothed, bogue to the yard.

Jack

As long as I have the customer arrange the flight the responsibility pertaining to interstate trafficking falls back on them?

There is occasionally a hole that pops up that needs plugged. Thanks man.

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Originally Posted by CA Jack

Yeah, back when I was starting out, it was nice to visit all the "big time" breeders' yards. Nowadays, though, it is just not very good judgment. Not in the US anyway.

Last time I let folks over to the yard was back when I was in TN. And even then, the only people I let in were either 1) longtime customers of mine who I knew were cool, or 2) dogmen who were both well-established veterans and had plenty of their own deep money. People with no money are the first types to try to steal and/or drop a dime on you. The last kind of person I would let in would be some fast-talkin', "just-got-in," snaggle-toothed, bogue to the yard.

Jack

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That's some funny shit right there. But of the list of degenerates I would lean more towards trusting the snaggle tooth. LoL Gotta love an occasional buck tooth grin....

I like this thread, and I for one did not know about the RICCO. I very rarely sell a dog because my yard is small, and I keep most of what I breed. Have had success shipping thru ground transport using East Coast Pet express but that was about 3 years ago. I had one of mine flown in from Texas, wasn't taking that drive from New England. I used to like visiting yards and picking up pups, but lately I see too many with nasty yards and poor up-keep. I'd rather not get my dogs sick from the filth of someone else's yard, so I meet people at shows instead.

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When using ground shippers please get a health certificate. I lost two valuable dogs using transporters. If I had health certificates they would of returned them. But since the transporter didn't require it I thought it was cool not to get it.

I wanted to save $100 and lost a very good bitch.

Rip ch justine

Don't let anyone on your yard.
I would venture to guess 85% of dog theft is from those who know their target.
They have seen your yard, scoped it out, watched you and your schedule and walked right in and taken your dogs.

I have 13 dogs stolen from me (all within a two year time frame - BAD LOCATION). I was very fortunate to get 11 of the 13 back. A lot of BS came from it. Babesia, good young dogs ruined, etc. But, a lot of sorry POS went to jail as well. Was in good with the local Sheriff deputy so retribution got jacked on up a little higher than it was actually.

If you limit who is allowed on your yard, you limit opportunity for theft and you narrow down the possibilities of WHO TOOK THE DOG, if it ever shows up missing again.

Since then, I have made it a point to never live any place my dogs are visible to anyone. You cannot see a single dog on my place now, even when you are on my place.

I do like Jack. They are welcome to come down and visit, IF I KNOW AND TRUST YOU. If not, you come down, I'll meet you at the local convenient store.