Anyone ever bred a pit bull to a Patterdale to make a 'pocket pit'?
Ever bred a pit bull to any other dog with a particular purpose in mind?
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Anyone ever bred a pit bull to a Patterdale to make a 'pocket pit'?
Ever bred a pit bull to any other dog with a particular purpose in mind?
the pitbull x stafford cross has produced successful match dogs, ch meg, her sister ch ruby, her son gr ch barney and ch buster are all part Stafford
I am working on a lot of different projects now, but I was entrusted with some of the finest Patterdales on the planet, about 10 years ago, and think this would be an excellent cross (with the right individuals, of course).
More to follow soon ...
You still have some of the Avis and/or Lucky stuff? Any of it on Ice?Quote:
Originally Posted by CA Jack
Nothing to do with bulldogs but bred English bulldog to female boxer then took dogs that look more like English bulldogs and bred back to stud and in three generations got a little longer legged more athletic looking no skin or eye problems natural birth English bulldogs, sold them at flea markets off the back of the tail gate of my truck as the poor man English bulldogs sold as many as I could produce from repeat customers they were smart and loyal it lasted till my little stud died. Yours in the Game Johnny
Buster isn't part Stafford, he's nearly all Stafford. He has very little bulldog blood behind him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palooka
Bulldogs have been crossed with all kinds of working dogs. The Bull x Greyhound cross (Bull x any type of sighthound really) is extremely popular across the pond. The Dutch have been using bulldogs to add hardness to their herders for ages now. The list goes on and on.
I have always thought Greyhounds looked like "stretched-out" pit bulls.Quote:
Originally Posted by prairiedog
What do they use them for, exactly?
Buddy in Texas uses them to hunt pigs, he said he knows a few guys across the pond that also uses them to hunt boars and small gameQuote:
Originally Posted by CA Jack
In the UK they are popular for dispatching quarry, chasing bolted fox, etc.
I know guys in the U.S. using the cross for coyote, hogs, etc.
Yes a Bull Lurcher is a a very effective at running down game. A greyhound can't make sharp turns. Many greyhounds have broken there legs trying make those turns. The Pit Bull was added to Greyhound. Thus you have a more rugged and all around durable running dog.
yes mate, more Stafford then pit bull certainly but I wouldn't say very little bulldog behind , Beanie being a straight half.
a lot of bull greyhounds used as draw dogs at the end of a dig as well
I don't see any reason to cross a staff with a Apbt. Their is nothing a staff brings to the table that an Apbt brings. Makes no sense unless you wanted size? But you really water down the Apbt with that less effective blood. Not saying there are not good staffs but they are inferior for the most part compared to a ApbtQuote:
Originally Posted by Palooka
there have been english bull terrier crossing fact some research has lead me to believe that some of are apbts started from the birst colored english bull terrier crosses although most were show dogs some were used also look at ch phyco and them dogs they had english bull and staff cull hard with anything really wich most cant do and you will get good dogs because of the hybrid vigor crossing any two breeds u get freaks sometimes that are Superior also it was said walter kominsiski had crossed n bull terrier as well for the hybrid vigor would be my guess as to why
A Pit Bull Terrier bred to a Great Dane creates a very powerful and great looking dog. With superior added qualities that the Great Dane does not posses. I have mentioned before that I personally watched Bass' Tramp Red Boy game tested on a Pit Bull x Great Dane cross.
This was done in the middle of the summertime. Tramp Red Boy weighed around 60 pounds and the Pit Bull/Great Dane cross weighed around 125 pounds. This Pit Bull/Great Dane ran loose on it's owner's yard, was in good lean shape. Tramp Red Boy was not worked, right off it's chain and drove 50 miles to the roll site. Tramp Red Boy took a tough game test that day. Allowed to go to it's conclusion, Tramp Red Boy would have been killed. Tramp Red Boy was always in holds and made several game hard scratches.
This Pit Bull/Great Dane cross makes a very good catch dog keeping it's strong instinct's to catch and hold wild boar with plenty of power and strength to spare. Two of these type dogs could catch and hold pretty well any size Wild or Feral hogs.
Crossing the Pit Bull Terrier to just about any other bred of sporting dogs produces a excellent Hybrid dog. That has greatly improved strength and vigor taking away none of that breeds abilities. The basic problem though; is that these Hybrid crosses can be more dog aggressive. If bred into your scent hounds may run silent and not bark. So you do not know where the dog is till it corner's or catches what it is hunting. Then you only hear what the dog has caught singing the fat lady song. LOL
My Father had two Pit Bull/Pointer Bird dogs named Jack and Jill. Were excellent Bird dogs but did not play well with any other bird dogs in the field. The Plott Hound is suppose to posse some of the same Pit Bull cross way back when. Are very powerful and aggressive Coon Hounds at the Tree. Most Coon Walker Hound dog men do not like to do night hunts with a Plott Hound in the mix.
A friend I knew years back had a solid Black 85 pound in lean shape Plott Hound. This Hound stopped many a young Pit Dog when rolled in it's own back yard. Would climb about any tree to get a Cat. Was a excellent and smart dog on wild boar. We called this dog Cool Hand Luke. One time his owner made the mistake of leaving Cool Hand Luke in his nice Cadillac. Stopped at a Honky Tonk beer joint, went inside too drink some Buds.
Meanwhile Cool Hand Luke saw a Cat outside and near the car. When the owner later went back to his car. The whole front console and much the rest of the car was ripped apart. Those were some expensive Buds that night. LOL, Cheers.
I disagree about the great Dane pitbulls being effective grabbers I've seen them get there mouths and throats and lower legs destroyed. Besthe dogs I've ever owned for hogs was airdales and apbt both hunt with sight and smell both find a hog stop it and hide in its blind spots. Platts also work well but alot of them bark the trail. Once had a 48 pound double bred red devil redboy and haystacks bitch get ahold of a 70 pound plott bitch it was gross by the time I got there there were intestine everywhere.that bitch turned on me one day out of the blue. She is no more
Ditto Lansford101. The Hog hunters I use to know many years ago. Used Pit Bulls/Pit Bull crosses/ Airedales/ Plott hounds along with various mixed crosses of other breeds of dogs. The life expectancy of most catch dogs regardless of breed or cross was limited. The one main thing that helped these dog's livability was when the use of a nylon vest was invented and used. Before that vest,it was stuff guts back in and sew them up, usually at the hunt site and hope for the best.
Any dog mixed or pure bred, that was not well schooled and a smart catch dog. Charging head long into a large wild boar that had it's flanks/rear end well protected. Would defiantly receive serious life threatening injuries.
One wild feral Boar Hog that was caught by dogs from the Pee Dee Swamps in S.C., made the local new's paper's front head lines, in Darlington S.C. many years back. This Hog was the full length of a full size pick up truck back end carry space, with it's full head laying on the tail gate. The Hog Hunters by the last name of Kirven said a couple of their dogs paid the full price with their lives catching that monster. Rest of the pack was cut up as well. This was before those dog vest were being used. Cheers
A good friend of mine in amarica has successfully crossed pit bulls to staghounds for use on coyotes , raccoon and boar, he has first crosses and now 1/4 bulls 3/4 stags that are hunting well . I personally think that in most cases working / hunting breeds would improve with a bit of bull added to some percentage. I've hunted bullXgreyhound types for 12/13 years but the original bull blood of the line I use is unknown really and was probably amarican bull dog X pit with some saluki in there too. The line works well but there is no conformity to the litters with great variation in litters even with tight breeding. My goal or aim is to find the right dog and bitch to make my own first cross pit bull X greyhound . If any of you have advice or experience on sending frozen seamen into Europe I'd very much like to hear it. Thanks.
JMHO. Since most dog men I knew, felt the greater influence/better traits on a Pit Bull litter came from the bitch side. You may wish to introduce the Pit Bull Terrier blood through a very well built/deep chested and game pit bull bitch. That way you could later after culling the bitch pups. Breed more of your best male Stag hound influence back too those hybrid bitch pups. Too get your dogs looking a specific way and a performing way that you prefer.
With that said, have never seen a stag hound or what hound blood was used to create the Stag Hound. On this side of the pond we primarily use good ole Walker Hounds to run anything from a coon/fox/coyote/mountain lion/white tail deer,to the large Mule Deer out west. Sure a Stag overseas would be no problem for a pack of Walker Hounds to run and bay. The thing about a pack of Walkers hot on a Trail. If they catch that critter, will usually attack it and pull it down like a pack of wolves.
In the end you might end up with something more like our bigger brawnier Plott Hounds. Changing the subject a little. I always wanted to see a top notch Florida Cracker Stud Horse bred to a top notch Appaloosa mare. Since both being Spanish decent horses. Might get a real hardy, good looking Spanish type quarter horse. Good luck on your dog venture. Cheers
This is a deep and powerful point, CYJ.Quote:
Originally Posted by CYJ
It reminds me of a post started here a few years ago by Stone City Kennels:
The X Factor
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Thanks CYJ I agree with you and am trying to follow the bitchs in the stuff I have at the moment , I don't know why I hadn't thought of doing the first cross that way round but it makes sense thanks