These damn Boyle's dogs I have been seeing over the years don't fuck around! They will grab somebody in a heartbeat. I also had some Boudreaux stuff in the late 90's that was the same way.
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These damn Boyle's dogs I have been seeing over the years don't fuck around! They will grab somebody in a heartbeat. I also had some Boudreaux stuff in the late 90's that was the same way.
Maybe it's something you're doing, because I've never had one of either line do that.
Imo you can get a bad apple off any tree.
I have basically RBJ/Jeep Rascal type dogs and on occasion I get a few who are a bit standoffish with strangers. Not man biters with the exception of one dog in many many years that will hit anything that moves with a fierce intensity. I've used a scalpel on the bitch to remove a fatty tumor and she kissed me on my cheek while doing it. She's a sweetheart unless you are another dog, human or object.
I did an out cross and got 2 bitches, sent one to the owner of the stud and she's a perfect mannered dog. They have a few dogs I'd call fear and insecure aggressive dogs. If I just walk on in their spot they are fine but the anticipation they just freak out over. The bitch I kept is a sweetheart to, BUT once you pour kibble in her bowl she protects it like it's a fresh kill. She doesn't bite but warns with loud growling and hovers her bowl like you are trying to steal it. I don't like it one bit. I've tried working with her but it's like 50 first dates, she does well then the next day it's back to square one.
I'd actually like opinions or advise about this... :)
Didn't mean to hijack the thread Wise. :embarrassed:
S_B
Lol this it anbit backwards but I haven't had this in my bulldogs.But I get this same thing with my female Jack Russells.Quote:
Originally Posted by S_B
Nothing I did actually the Boudreaux dog was like that when I got her at 6 months, never bit me or my family but put an instant barrier between us and the rest of the world! Never seen anything like it. As far as he Boyles dogs, I was bit by an old bitch with no teeth watering her spot! Bitch! Lol soon as I turned around to walk away no sound just grabbed me, sneaky. A couple of really good studs got put down for going after the wife of one guy, and hitting the end of a chain at a kid! From what i'm told they were dispatched short order, bred nice and throwing and going smh. I'll take one all day everyday long as it don't bite me and family.
I would never put a dog down for going after a kid, especially a dog that had never seen a kid.
Bandana was like that ... would flip-out seeing a kid, just didn't think they were human.
It is kinda dumb to attribute "human morality" to a freakin dog.
I would kill any dog that went after me, if it was mine and knew me already, but lots of dogs don't like strangers.
If I had a kid and bought a dog that flipped-out at kids, I would just give/sell the dog to someone with no kids, no need to kill the dog over it.
Jack
In my opinion, I think it's more of the dog as an individual and it's surroundings. Maybe if they had a shit load of people bitters in their lineage and on the same yard as them, they might be more prone to bite someone. My pup now, she's Jeep/RB/Rascal bred got her at 4 months, is very standoffish until she gets use to you. Who knows if she will bite someone or not, I don't "think" she would, but I still tell people if she wants to let you pet her she'll come up to you. Sometimes I wonder if she was mistreated the first few months before I received her, who knows. All in all I don't think it has to do much about the lines, but I'm no expert. Well said Jack, if I feed you everyday, you know me and one day you try to get at me......you're done buddy. I had a Rottweiler that was like the dog you're describing S_B, she was a nice dog but when she had her dish full, her fat ass would let you know she wasn't done eating. Not sure how to correct it, just keep working with her the best you can and hopefully the day will come that she doesn't care if you reach for it. Just my 2 cents
I leave all animals alone when they're eating, humans included. I know how I am about mine, why would a dog be any different?
Good point
Of all the dogs I've fed most of them would much rather have my attention over their kibble, not raw that's a different story. Maybe I'm over thinking it but it's unstable behavior imo like fear or anxiety. My dogs have never been aggressive towards me at all, quite the contrary. They are pleases and will gladly spit their kibble out for play time if given the opportunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by SZ82
It's not that I intentionally jack with her while she eats. She immediately stiffens up, clack her jaws and hovers over her bowl. She also got real stiff and flinchy when I handed her over to a friend once. She was very socialized as a pup being the loner after her sister went to the owner of the male.
Anyway the feedback is appreciated.
S_B
S_B, could we start a new thread? Like you said don't want to hi-jack this thread unless you guys don't care. My pup acts the same way just not aggressive, would like some thoughts/opinions as well.
The Uselton stuff, from around 2000 back consistently had man biting behavior. Anyone that's ever read GH's book and seen the picture in the chapter about man-biters was a picture that I actually took. He was a true man biter. Man hater actually. He was off Park Son bred to a pure Uselton bitch. It was rumored that JU preferred this in dogs as it would make them harder to theft.
I've only had one dog in my line of dogs that I bred up that ever did something stupid. Hit me in the back of my leg, ripped the entire back leg of my overalls off. I looked at him, got the .44 and that was that. My wife is about 120lbs and if a dog like him ever got a hold of her, he would kill her.
There's not a dog on my yard I can't put my hand in their food bowl while they eat. It's not a prerequisite to stay here, it's just worked out that way, but if one gets funny with me, I'm gonna get REAL FUNNY with their ass real quick.
I agree with Jack about kids. They don't look at kids the same. One of the sweetest dogs I've ever owned was a horrible kid dog. She was hunter, literally - not a match dog, but a hunter of varmints and so forth. She saw kids the same as varmints.
Great post NQK, I agree it pains me this bitch acts this way about her food. She's just coming on 2 so we'll see if she can grow out of it, I'm hoping.
Appreciate the feedback on both topics.
S_B
I CAN mess with their food if I wanted, or needed, to. I just rather let them eat in peace.Quote:
Originally Posted by S_B
I know this topic is old, but Termite dogs get my vote when its comes to man biters.
This is a discussion I had with some people. To me if a dog growled around me if i came around the food or any sign or aggression towards me. I would lean towards culling. I relate this to your post on breeding for purpose. This would be under temperament. I could not in good conscience sell a dog that I could't trust. So would never have the chance to succeed in any endeavor. Im interested to what you did with this dog. If it was my yard Zebo would have gotten a bullet. I would never stud a female out to a dog that was a man biter. I read a story about a Boyles dog that the guy had to worry about. I passed and am still looking for another stud. I think you can breed for more than one thing. You just lower the number of potential studs and females you have access too. You have to keep larger portions of your litter. You may throw money away by putting down Zebo. Your line will be known for something.
The bitch is 5 and is very stable tempered except she doesn't like to be messed with when she eats. I have pushed her many times and I have never been bitten. She is friendly with people, but would rather have me attached to the end of her lead and not a stranger.
She is true to purpose and only has the feed agression flaw as far as behavior. I would not cull a dog who hasn't been given the chance to prove itself unless it was a health issue or something severe I could not manage.To each his own on that. This dog would probably let me cut her leg off, but when she eats it's her food and she's not sharing. lol
S_B
I see what you mean. When I have dogs i stick my hands in their food whatever. This starts when they are a puppy. I can be hard sometimes. Any growling at me etc would end up getting a quick pop and a hard eye to eye stare down. They won't let each other near their food, but I do what I want almost daring them to do something. How much of that is genetic temperament. How much of that is house dog training. I don't know. I try not to break them, but let them know the rules and quick reminders if they break them starting from day one. Like I'm an athletic person that likes athletic dogs. There are some aspects of this I have to defer to people for. I need dogs that can walk the woods, run by a bike, companionship etc. All the dogs I have had are game bred from good stock from good kennels. Just things I think about. I have not bred a dog. I feel old rules should govern that for the most part. Just my two cents.
I bred her, and her dam and raised her dam's parents so I know the ins and outs of them and food agression was never there. Her sire is from another kennel, while I've had first hand knowledge of them the food agression trait wasn't one ever discussed before the breeding. There were 2 pups, they both were raised in the house for the first couple months, ultra socialized and introduced to many things to awaken their senses.
The other bitch went with the owner of the sire and does not have any agression issues with food. Sometimes nature just throws you a curveball, all things in these dogs are not absolute. It's up to you as a dogman to manage what you have to the best of your ability. Her food aggression issues didn't start until nearing maturity. I chalk it up to her being overly eager to display her dominance. I'm not threatened by her behavior at all, though was perturbed with it early on. She has done everything I've asked her to do, and while she is not perfect, she is honest.
I hear you. I do want to become more active in breeding and showing these dogs. I deal with the public more and in closer quarters for now so Temprament is higher in the list of priorities for me. I like walking in the woods with my dogs, I'm working my way towards boar hunting. I have had experience with the Redboy/jocko and Hollingsworth dogs are known for their temperament, gameness and confirmation. I know what you mean about breeding towards more things and moving away from the standard. My dogs are hot. I know I have to watch them for animal aggression, but thats fine by me. I like knowing I can put my male beside my bike and run 6 miles with him. I think for pits he's fully turned on. I had them around a german shepherd this weekend for a friends crawfish cookout. My little girl starts barking at this do three times her size. I say, "We're going to walk for a little bit." I ended up taking them home. I know how this story ends. She starts wrestling with the dog. Gets to rough and then its a full on fight. My friends all see the gentle Hollingsworth dogs that loves people. I know there is a little beast of a dog inside her. I just watch it. I like knowing the day we come across a hog in the woods, both of them will hit it in the mouth. That's why i keep good blood. I'm careful about breeding because after a while its an AKC or UKC dog. I have some people that are interested in pups. I may place some there and follow them. Time will tell. I like both those Bloodlines so far. It seems like they produce and have the traits I value. Over time I would like to blend them both and try to line breed them. You can't stray for the original purpose of the breed. I would be highly selective in culling and most likely make few breedings and cull hard to keep what I feel is most important.
Chico's Hugo Verdugo dogs.Very high strung,aggressive animals.As puppies they will eat each other alive if you do not separate them and they will bite you! They look at kids like they look at other animals !
are they even that good to make that risk worth it
They arent shit eaters I will tell you that. Courageous as they come.
i looked at the bed. Most mayday dogs aren't know for being man biters. Maybe it was just the idividual. Id still cull. There is 357 in my female he was supposed to be a man biter. they bow to me. i haven't had problems with them.
I have seen much more than one individual from that strain.They have a tendency to be man biter-ish. That doesn't necessarily apply to other strains of Mayday dogs.
interesting
:-?
I know that some of your favorite big kennel dogs with the comic book write up's are known man-biters but the almighty $ makes one look the other way especially when the kool-aid being handed out is in such high demand.