i herd Grip took out a 6th victim last weekend, DOY 2015 :) ???
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i herd Grip took out a 6th victim last weekend, DOY 2015 :) ???
He going to prove that he was worth the nod..
Congratulations to GR CH GRIP 6XW SDJ DOY 2014 and the dogmen behind him.
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He didn't get the nod, not here he didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyRed
It is very nice he won, but who did he beat?
Just because he won another match this year does not mean he did enough to win last year.
I am not going to reiterate why he didn't win last year (nor why the landslide of the bulldog community picked Titere), but let's focus on this year now ... because, depending on his opponent, this win doesn't even guarantee he qualifies for the current year.
I agree, no matter what, it is fantastic he won #6, but kindly provide some (non-sensitive) factual details of who/what he beat, so we can all assess its merit, thanks.
Jack
No he didn't get the nod here but he got it with SDJ and finished top 5 in other Mags, wasn't like he was a hyped bum, he did beat several really good dogs along the way and a GrCh also it just wasn't another GrCh DOY as Homer was. I can't sure which one he beat because the guys I know that were in talks with one of their Chs, kindly bowed out. I don't have all the details of exactly who just the time and that he won in really good fashion again, if it was the folks i believe it was, he beat a really good team.. It wasn't a backyard alley spring pole contest.Quote:
Originally Posted by CA Jack
I wasn't debating about him not winning last year, Titere won it here and Grip won with SDJ last year. It's all human opinion no matter which way we slice it. According to the system that JK had created to tally points, Grip had edged it out that's the only reason SDJ even appointed him the winner. The system does not take into the account of the hype of a show. I've always said congrats to Titere and what he accomplished was great and if they go for what many believe they will I truly do hope he gets it. It's time we add a legend to that status. The Bulldog community knew of Titere & Balboa, while many didn't know of Grip. Titere n Balboa talks have ran the Coast for quite some years especially after the prior North v South contest. I personally picked Capoeira for the DOY, she won all of hers on the open circuit into whoever would put their weight out and she whipped everybody easily and if able to get handles her times would be even shorter, and 2 Chs ducked the hell out of her but I'm glad Titere won it because he also earned it. Grip is only out to prove he belongs among the elite names..
Far as this year, I think we all know the next Battle of Ch's which is slated will probably be the front runner of DOY until somebody reels off a few wins but with the hype of this one, Surely starting their year off with this will get them out in front.
That outburst of rhetoric was a waste of typing.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyRed
No one ever accused Grip of being a hyped bum, but the fact is the SDJ got lambasted (again) for selecting Grip over Titere. "The other mags" don't mean anything to me, but he earned a similar status (and was 2nd Runner-Up) here also, being 1 of 2 dogs to get a whopping 3 votes, while Titere got 47 votes. I realize it's all opinion, and I think that pretty much clears the air as to the nearly-universal opinion of the fraternity, and how far out in left field the SDJ was, again. It wasn't even a contest in my mind, and in the minds of most others.
Jack Kelly's "system" is as antiquated, and lacking in depth, as the ROM is compared to the numbers-crunching that can be done here also.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyRed
Again, Grip beat an 8 year old dog, while Titere beat a peer. If the situations were reversed, and Titere beat an elderly dog, he wouldn't have got the nod here either.
Gr Ch Capoeira won earned the same 3 votes here as Grip did. I made her 3rd Runner-Up, under Grip, and made Ch April the 1st Runner-up. The truth is, Capoeira may be a badass bitch, but she didn't do anything "historically-significant" last year, compared to either Grip or Titere. True, she made Gr Ch, but I think beating 2 Champions in 1 year, which is what April did, is arguably the best year of any of them, including Titere; however, neither Champion April beat was as historically-significant a win as beating a fellow Gr Ch/DOY was. If Titere didn't exist, Ch April would have won IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyRed
True.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyRed
Jack
If it's a waste of typing, that's your opinion and we all are entitled to have one. It wasn't an outburst at all, I thought all of us folks commenting were having a conversation. Wasn't a challenge to anybody opinion or what they thought was right or wrong. I didn't say you accused Grip of being a hyped, not sure why you took what i said as that but no I never said anybody said those words, I was simply stating the camp is out to prove that he isn't some bum. The SDJ isn't my mag, so i didn't have any say so, nor did i have the ultimate say so in any other mag. It's all just for fun, it wasn't close in your mind but in several barns over several different places it was a contest and many felt several dogs were definitely up for mention but Titere beat a former GrCH who was also DOY which just gave it more juice to some. Grip won over a former GrCh and according to the point system he earned DOY. I don't think SDJ was far left in the field he was just a stickler to that system which doesn't bring into account other things that we as humans can add. Again no matter who won it, they would have my congrats and Titere was deserving as I felt other dogs were also.
I'm not comparing JK system of choosing DOY or ROM to this database in the least. I've seen the beauty of this board and think it's great. I'm not comparing Grip beating an 7 year old 8xw(at the time of contest if I'm not mistaken) vs Titere beating former GrCh Homer DOY, who wasn't quite 8 but he wasn't far from it neither, he made Ch back in 2009 or 2010 and GrCh by 2011 starting at 38 before moving up the weight chart. The only difference was one man went by a system and the others went by human vote. I say congrats to both of them, almost a shame they are so far apart in weight. Homer wasn't 8 but he was no spring chicken but Titere did what not many can ever imagine doing, beat a GrCh DOY with their own GrCh DOY. That's history so I understand clearly why Titere was majority's vote.
Yes April certainly earned her keep, she beat 2 Ch's which is great, I think most overlooked her because most consider DOY for those who blow out the comp, she made runner up here but didn't make top 10 on most other lists, Cap made Top 3 on every list I seen and some believed minus Titere beating a GRCH DOY, she might of pulled it off. It was a very good year and this year is shaping up to be even better.
Back yard spring pole comp! Lmfao
Sounds like just another none-beliver
Just make sure when you say his name you say it as Sir GrCh Titere!
LOL you like that one, backyard spring pole comp lol, thought of that on the fly too lol.. Titere is etched in history he has nothing left to prove, if he going for the next stage, I wish him all the health in the world to get it done. It's time for that legend status to be reached and who is a non-believer? Certainly not me, we've talked before about Titere and some of the offspring you got up there my friend. I'll be back in touch soon..Quote:
Originally Posted by ragedog10
There is a difference between having a conversation, that moves forward to productive ends ... based on what was actually said ... and a conversation that spirals down the shitter, and goes nowhere, because one is forced to debate/argue over some falsely-introduced bullshit that was never said :idea:Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyRed
No one ever questioned Grip's worth as an animal, or claimed he was an "over-hyped" bum, or anything of the sort.
What was actually said (and what was almost unanimous) was that, when compared to Gr Ch Titere, Grip (fine as his accomplishment in 2014 was) did not do enough to get the DOY title. Not here anyway. Not compared to what Titere did. And not according to most.
You did introduce the concept of Grip "not being some bum," before, and you did it again here. No one said or implied this.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyRed
The SDJ sticking to some ancient system, and not being able to actually think on his own, is WHY he was in left field. I am not sure how beating an 8-year old Grand Champion is a "higher" accomplishment in any system than beating a peer, still competitive Gr Ch, that was also DOY in your own magazine the previous year. This shows an inability to think on one's own. (In fact, Nietzsche once said, "The will to a system is a lack of integrity."Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyRed
That would be like giving a current Heavyweight title-holder the "Fighter of the Year" award for beating former heavyweight champ Larry Holmes (coming out of retirement), over another Heavyweight beating another current Heavyweight Champ, and unifying the title. It's a freaking joke to compare the two, really.
I don't know how old Titere is himself, but he won 7 (beating a fellow 6xW and DOY), so he can't be a spring chicken himself ... and he pushed 2 lb to do it, let's not forget that :shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyRed
DOY has never been about "blowing out the comp," it's been about the most accomplishments for that year ... and April, by beating TWO Champions ... and by being one of the rare few to go passed the 3-hour mark ... certainly did more than ANY other dog for the year of 2014, including Titere, it just was not quite as historically-significant.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyRed
But she certainly had the most productive year of any dog I know of, more so than Grip, more so than Capoeira, just not Titere.
Jack
I agree on April. Voted for her :)
It was hard for me not to give her the title, quite frankly. She worked harder that year than anyone else ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Hand
But she got the 2nd spot in both awards, DOY and GDOY, which is something no other dog did.
Jack
I dont know the ped on the dog Grip just whipped but his name was Home Boy a 2xw
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Originally Posted by LEFTLANE
At this stage of his career, facing a 2xW is almost a no-win situation.
Many times a multi-winner can "grow old" overnight, while the 2xW may be comparatively fresh and undamaged. Thus a 2xW might be a more dangerous opponent, actually, than facing another multi-winner ... especially if he's a good one ... because the multi-winner's best days are often far behind him. So (though it may not look that way 'on paper') facing a 2xW can be risky.
But then, if the Grand Champion wins, and puts the 2xW away, people have the tendency to think, "Oh, he 'only' beat a 2xW," after it's all said and done.
I don't think, if I had a Grand Champion (especially one that made DOY in one mag, and was on everybody's list of Runners-Up), that I would face anything less than a Champion at that point, truth to tell. It is a greater risk to the dog's reputation, if he loses, with no real payoff or enhancement to that reputation, if he wins.
The only real good about such a win, other than the money won, is the dog is now a 6xW, which is a fine accomplishment.
But it is almost anticlimactic too.
Jack
Homeboi was a 1xw.
Congratulations ssk