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I would like to read what work's best for you? Is It a 50/50 cross, a 3/4 cross, 7/8 cross or do you just prefer your bloodline as pure as you can get them?
some of my favorites dog's have been, the 50/50 (ELI/PONCHO) But the 3/4-1/4 out (Poncho with a 1/4 Eli) dog's are more High Percentage caliber animal's. What is it you like. :)
My best cross has been my only cross really Redboy/Jocko/Jeep/Rascal.
As far as what I like....I like what is winning consistently. To me GR CH EL TITERE is a total package animal.
#1 He's an ACE!
#2 He's a physical specimen
#3 He's bred beautifully
I like them all really, it's like being a kid in a candy store that never runs out of flavors of candy! :lol:
S_B
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Originally Posted by BULLDOG ANONYMOUS
The best cross I ever did, oddly enough, was a Poncho/OFRN cross, but I consider it a fluke really.
Of the 15+ Gr Champions that have come from the various crosses with my line, only 3 made it passed 5 wins, 2 of which were Poncho/Eli crosses of some kind: Gr Ch Zukill (6xW), with no dog going over :48 (which was made all the more remarkable, as he had no cutters), and the Japanese Ace Gr Ch Jigilu (9xW), who beat 4 Champions, no dog going over 42 mi. Zukill had a 1/8th injection of Eli via Chinaman blood, and Jigilu had a 50% shot of Eli via Rambo a full brother to Cates' Cujo.
If I could go back in time, knowing then what I know now, and having access to this resource to see reality for what it is, I would probably have experimented with Poncho/Eli crosses almost exclusively. I got caught up with Mayday, and other forms of RBJ crosses, and I tried a couple of Boyles' crosses, but in hindsight these produced mostly rock-solid 1-2xWs and maybe a few Champions. The baddest dog that ever came of the Poncho/Mayday cross (Gr Ch Ms. Serious 5xW) also had a 1/8th shot of Eli in there, same as Zukill, via Trump's Shotgun.
At the highest, highest levels it is almost invariably the Eli/Carver crosses that are doing the deed, not the RBJ crosses. Of course, Gr Ch Titere makes me eat my words on the Redboy dogs, with his incredible record, and his 1/4-shot of Sami The Arab's Boomer (:lol:), but I likewise think that is more of a fluke than anything else. Because Chinaman and other Eli/Carver crosses repeatedly and consistently produce 6xWs, 7xWs, and beyond ... whereas Redboy dogs almost never do.
If you look at the other dual Gr Ch DOY Killer Combine's Gr Ch Vengeance (6xW, DOY, POR, ROM), (who beat Gr Ch Hobo), Vengence was pretty much exclusively an Eli/Carver cross also ... whereas the entire bottom side of Hobo was some nondescript "pure Colby" breeding (with his topside being a Nico Jr./Poncho/Mayday cross). Of course, some of the old-School Loposay dogs (based on Colby) produced some murderous animals, but "pure Colby blood" is not really thought of much today as a competitive option.
The Indian Sonny blood behind Gr Ch Vengeance was almost exclusively Eli/Carver blood. Sonny also had some of the best old Corvino blood to be had as well. In fact, it really is a shame that Pat Patrick stole Bolio from Sonny, as (if you look at the pedigrees) Sonny was actually making better and more exciting breedings with Bolio than Patrick was. (Check out some of the pedigrees behind Vengeance to see what I am talking about, as the No Regrets dog Patrick had was another theft from Sonny. In fact, it could properly be said that thefts from Indian Sonny made Pat Patrick ...)
I guess it was good for the fraternity that Pat got Bolio, and made the breedings he did make, because Pat sold them all over the world (while Indian Sonny kept his private) ... but, strictly from a pedigree standpoint, I like what Sonny was doing with Bolio better better than what Patrick did. In fact, Ch Indian Bloomers (from Sonny's breeding) decimated Patrick's Pinky (Red Baby's sister, from Patrick's breeding) in the pit ... with Bloomers being yet another devastating Eli/Bolio cross, with a dash of Corvino ;)
History does have a way of repeating itself ...
Jack
RBJ/ SIXBITS
Out of curiosity what's people's view on Midnight actually being Down from Pit General and the steeling of pit general, the dog that Danny Burton called "the greatest dog to ever walk the face of the earth"Quote:
Originally Posted by CA Jack
I personally like the Redboy/Jocko/Carver(Boomerang) cross the most. Gives us our type of dogs.
Of that, I have no idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macker
However, if you look at Pit General's pedigree, two things are true: 1) He's a highly-inbred dog, 3/4 bred on Nigger and his sister Snip, 1/4 bred on Mert, who's the sister to Bolio's daddy Zeke; 2) he is a heavy-Dibo-bred dog (38.3%), which is about the same as Eli Jr/Bullsyson (37.4% -> 55% if you include Dibo's brother AZ Pete).
The big difference would be Pit General is heavy Spike/Jeff breeding of Dibo to Gordan's Red Lady in particular (56.25%), whereas Bullyson/Eli Jr. are heavy on the Blind Billy breeding with Dibo/Ch Minnie (71%).
No, those old timers never made inbreedings to produce match dogs ... :lol: :rolleyes:
Jack
That statement about hobo's mother is inaccurate, that bitch was ROM prior to even whelping hobo. That Colby/heinzel bitch could throw em she far from sum nondescript Colby bitch. She produced CHS with a couple different studs.
On another note poncho x mayday is my bread nd butter. Very consistent line of dogs
What traits are you consistently seeing from that cross if you dont mind me asking.Quote:
Originally Posted by MISTER
Face dogs consistently, the ones off my stud will go right to the face from release they'll also hit the body as well. My entire yard is built around him. I'm wanting to run him back into a poncho bitch or a silverback bitch to bring that throat checking trait while maintaining the structure and gameness that this line is known forQuote:
Originally Posted by gotap_d
Boomer was bred to Asian Girl to add air that gyp was true monster who produced her offspring ended in piss poor hands and were ruined in school or match with all types of odds against them. Panthro was what they thought the cross should produce , a long winded monster. Titere well he's just one of best there ever was. Just a little ramble lol
Titere isn't a freak bc his brother was a winner who inturn produced a CH. Chico like him or not has a ch or two from sarge. Boomer threw CHS bred to his own family as well. CHS twix nd ch merengue. Jack we normally see eye to eye but the kuni statement was inaccurate also saying titere is freak is inaccurate being he's from litter of winners and his nephew is a ch. I strongly believe titere will throw chs....
Your own statements are inaccurate here.Quote:
Originally Posted by MISTER
I didn't call Titere a freak, I said that Redboy blood producing that caliber of a dog is a fluke.
Redboy dogs seldom produce 7xWs at all, whereas Eli/Chinaman-type dogs do so fairly-regularly.
I think the Eli blood behind Titere is largely responsible for his ability.
I am sure Titere will thrown winners and Champions; I doubt very much he will throw another 7xW, DOY.
Especially if they don't breed him much and especially bred to Redboy dogs.
But they may prove me wrong, and that's okay too!
Jack
PS: I heard you the first time about Kuni and glad you clarified.
I see where you're coming from Jack. I'll also go out on the limb here to say if he throws another 7xw it'll happen in the hands of his owners or someone close to that circle. This is another good thread
redboy/turtlebuster has treated me well. and so far i'd put my jeep/rb/tb hounds right up there too. seen some real nice eli/bolio stuff too, but i wont go away from what i've worked hard to put together.
does anyone know if Titere or Vengence are open to stud ? If so is there a way of contacting their owners. im interested in breeding to them via frozen semen or otherwise. Even better if their sires are still alive!
There are strews off of GrChTitere sire they are by no means cheap!!Quote:
Originally Posted by bullyson