Jack I have been on your boards and mag. so iam going to stick with you through it all 100.00 sound like a lot but look at what you get tj
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Jack I have been on your boards and mag. so iam going to stick with you through it all 100.00 sound like a lot but look at what you get tj
What are your thoughts and why...
Fair price for the service offered?
Or too expensive?
Should keep out the trouble maker's for a years service that's not a lot.
Admin: Thank you :-bd
Well, I've been making a lifestyle change lately anyway and was already in the stages of cutting expenses that are not necessary but was considering renewing here when my time is up but with the new price I won't be. I'm not a "retard, drop out, nay sayer, reject or broke dick" , just somebody who was making changes anyway and the price hike was the decision maker for me with this site. It's a nice site and who knows what I'd do if I was spending money recklessly like I used to do from time to time.
It is a matter of good business. You target the customers (members) you want and then you aim to maximise revenue. So, Jack has to judge from the members he would probably preffer not to have here, which ones would not pay the $100. Also how many members he might loose, that he would like to keep, from the new multi times increased rate. Final thoughts, how this would work for potential members, would they pay the fee for something they can not see/judge for a lets say a "test" period? Always accounting also for Jack's reputation.
I feel the same as tasoschatz. I work everyday and am in the process of buying a new home. Working with financial planner a $100 to a dog pedigree database would not be a necessity. Its a great site and I enjoy the info. Just not at that rate. I very much respect the work put in to create this. So I can't say its not worth it. Just not for me.
I see the purpose of doing it, as it should indeed weed out the shitheads... but I think there are other alternatives also....
Hi all. I am sitting in a lawyer's office right now, waiting in the lobby, prepared to take a recorded statement.
I appreciate everyone's input.
I saw some things that were said, and want to clarify a few facts:
1. There is no site that can do all the things this site does. Not one.
2. There is no site that is run by anyone with the dog knowledge I have. Not one.
3. There is no site who has behind it the.mind my brother has, to continuously customize the features to fit the user needs, ideas, and concepts. Not one.
4. $100 year = $8.33 month. That's about the cost of an extra burger, fries, and a soda once a month.
5. So, yes, if that's too much for anyone to handle, they are indeed a broke dick. Period :embarrassed:
I respect every good, contributing member here, but let's stop the excuses about money. $100/yr is flyshit.
Hell, I pay $150/month for the ISP that hosts this place
This will be my last comment and to each his own.
Jack
Love the database Jack created here. Lots of great info and resources but I guess once my subscription is over I won't be renewing it. Like others have said, it's not that I can't afford it ;-) I just simply choose not to subscribe. I get and understand the concept that Jack utilized to benefit his dogs and I'm glad I came upon his database and books/DVD's. I have already bought the books the DVD's and read all the articles here...if I don't get the concept by now, staying in here won't benefit me much. I believe if I were to need the stats and data about other people's dogs and bloodlines then this database would be beneficial but I don't really care much about other people's dogs and bloodlines. I only care about what I have and if I want to know more about a specific dog/bloodline I'll have to do my homework using other resources. No hard feelings Jack! I totally respect your decision on increasing the fee. If you ever have any new products/books/DVD's I'll surely buy from you again. :-)
Also, I really enjoy the informational threads and discussions brought up in this forum but I have to say, I'm really sick and tired of the name callings, cussing & bitching. To "me", that's just not professionalism.
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No offense, but your offensive. Lmfao!
I like to get what I pay for and I feel that this place probly isn't with $100 a year... I agree it's nice, but to me it isn't worth that and won't pay it just on that principle. Add some more features between now and then and we shall see.
Furthermore, the feeling of getting my rates hiked because of someone else's behavior just flat out pisses me off.
Well at first glance, $100 a year seems like a lot… But it really only breaks down to about $8.00 a month.
That is not much money considering most folks pay about $100 a month for cable TV and phones, etc. Makes $8 a month seem like pocket change, LOL.
Maybe a forum membership for $30 a year could be offered?
And the elite full service membership for the $100 with all the bells and whistles, which is the use of the database.
Bring back sonny (waccamaw) for the entertainment value and I'll pay $200 a year hahaha
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Originally Posted by Macker
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I think Jack has built a very nice site although I don't use any of the features I still enjoy the reading and I like the discussions as it seems every one tries to keep it real without a lot of silly bickering.I'd pay 100 a year.Nice site Jack !
I agree with this statement as well. I would pay $30 a year for the forums, maybe even a little more. That part is worth it, well worth it. As nice as the database is I do not use it enough to warrant the price differential.
For those that do use it $8 and some change is really nothing. For those who do not use it, like me, it is wasted money. It has nothing to do with being or not being a broke dick. It is a matter of simple choice.
EWO
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Originally Posted by SGC
The only problem with the price change besides costing more money is that while the database is definitely worth the money... It might counter the reason it is worth the money. The main reason the database is superior Imo is because the number of people inputting information. If I have my own database it will be a full time job to add this many dogs and their details on my own with my own program. So if the number of people here are limited so will the number of dogs and details going in.
There is a lot going on here though that could make it well worth it once everything is on point outside of just the database of peds. Like the drug index...
well jack you got me when my subscription is up i'll be renewing i like the site !
I'm with two on this one. I don't come here enough to want to pay that rate. I normally view from my phone when I have DOWN time but that's rare with youngins. I have pics and pets written down that no one else have seen and only few may know of but I just don't have time to add them even tho. I want to share them so folks can know the history of these special animals and breeding just have to dust the ole laptop up and get them posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by EWO
Since starting this thread I've thought about the increase in membership dues.
For me personally it will effect my membership. I most likely will not renew for the reason given for the increase.
As well as the privileges being taken away because of the action of a couple bad seeds.
It's like culling a bloodline because of a couple curs.
I think this database, forum and all of the informative content is well laid out. The thought put into the concept and the work is absolutely stellar. Jack you and your brother did a fantastic job!
I actually thought the initial membership fee was too modest and that $45-$50 was actually worth paying and more in line with all the features offered here as opposed to other sites similar.
This place has been built with the best of intentions and it shows. It also shows because of the members who have come aboard here. Those that have spent many hours inputting flawless data entry. And those who have corrected the mistakes of others not so careful.
Although this database is awesome, it wouldn't be so without the great folks here to seed it and help it grow and evolve.
And furthermore being frugal doesn't make me a broke dick, and $100 bucks isn't fly shit. :D
S_B
I have like 12 of my own dogs registered. All I basically like to do is upload a new photo to their profile once in a while, edit a pup name and maybe I'm lucky enough to change some titles. Further I enjoy the forum, and that's really everything I use. Some articles were very helpful but they r in my head now.
Does my personal use of the entire "resource" value the price, no. Is it reasonable for me to pay a 100$ for that, also no.
I do have subscription untill end 2015 because of last years Christmas deal, so let's see what happens. Wonder what's the latest update about when we're getting rights back to edit details and add photo's to personal dogs??
Thank you, TJ, sorry I missed this.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdj396
Sincerely appreciate your support for all these years, since the late-90s.
Hats off to you :hatsoff:
For those who just can't bear to spend $100 "all at once" ... I have created a "low hurdle" option, by creating the ability to order monthly.
The monthly low-step fee is $10.
You actually only pay $8.33/month buy choosing the $100/year option, so you will ultimately save money by going yearly.
But if it doesn't fit into someone's budget to plop down $100 all at once, then there is now a $10/month option.
Once again, I sincerely do appreciate the efforts of those who have contributed good pedigrees into this database, as well as those who have made thoughtful posts and made an effort to contribute their time here. I really do. I think if people read my own post count, they can see I have made my own contributions here also ... not even factoring-in the effort it took to create the site itself, the $20,000 out of my pocket to pay my brother, the posted articles (and the months of time it took to create them), the videos (and the months of time it took to create/edit them), etc.
I honestly don't believe what is ultimately an $8.33/month charge should trouble most adults, with the basic skills to survive in life, and who can appreciate spending a bit more to get something truly superior.
As mentioned previously, I myself spend $150/month to sustain this place (which is $1,800/year). Nobody bothers to think about that stuff. So when considering my own efforts and expenses to create and maintain this medium for everyone else, it's hard for me to feel sorry for any individual "stopped in his tracks" at the thought of spending a mere $8.33/month to enjoy the fruits of MY considerable time, labor, and expenses involved in what I have tried to put together here ... just because that person has "entered-in some pedigrees" too.
I will honestly miss the presence of anyone who has truly taken the time to make this a better place, but I am not budging on my price increase. With a realistic perspective, $8.33/month is not a big deal, it simply is not, and I am likewise quite sure those who leave this place over such a small amount will miss it here also. And the rest who stay will NOT miss the whining and complaining and can concentrate on the content.
Thanks,
Jack
You said you wanted "less and not more" and I believe you will get your wish. I rarely have time to get on here and that also plays a role into my decision. If I used this site all day, every day then maybe 8.33/month wouldn't be bad. But for folks like myself who don't have a lot of free time on their hands and don't get on here much, it's foolish to pay 8.33/month and not use it. I'd like to be able to log on if I feel like it but I won't loose any sleep if I don't. Either way, best of luck with the site and your goals.
I hear you Treez;
I am awfully busy myself, busier than most people can possibly imagine, so reducing my "yard" here to just a few quality "dogs" sounds fantastic to what time I do have.
As far as I am concerned, the people who don't come here much, and don't do much, won't be missed much ...
A person can only be "missed" in direct proportion to the time, efforts, knowledge, and contributions they make ... and I am quite sure I stand out in the "less than 1% club" there.
And here's the rub: I could lose 2/3rds of my existing customers and still make the same profit (slightly more, actually) ... with 2/3rds less hassle/complaints/mistakes ... and I like the sound of that immensely.
Cheers,
Jack
regardless...ill still probably shell out the 100 bucks because i like the site, use the database and the blogs. but black hand brings a very good point. with the less amount of customers... will this site remain being what it is? if the ammount of dogs being loaded suffers do to lack of users, what would pick up the slack? maybe making the PBB available for reference on the site? not a pdf that can be downloaded & pirated, but more of an archive for quick reference? with that & an updated drug reference id say that would make it 100% worth the $100 alone...(or maybe im just wishfull thinking! LOL)
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Originally Posted by CRISIS
Thanks for your support.
And, actually, I do have to get busy on that drug database. (So many ideas, so little time). I am actually updating the PBB also, with new drug info, source info, as well as others.
Regardless, this site will always be what it is: the best database period.
I will be appointing new permission levels to folks as well, based on Merit, beginning next year, when things slow down for me.
But I am sure many of those who say they won't pay it, ultimately will.
Just like I "said," I would never pay more than $2,000 for a TV ... and just shelled out $3,700 for one ... and am glad I did :lol:
As Jesse Rods said, "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of 'low price' is forgotten ..."
Jack
Don't have a lot of money and short on the dog knowledge but iam going to pay the 100.00 well worth it tj
The other night i started putting my dogs peds up and needless to say i LOVE IT jack you really took your time with this site and paid attention to detail I'M SO HOOK!THANKS JACKQuote:
Originally Posted by MO'SWORK215
Thanks again, TJ :-bdQuote:
Originally Posted by cdj396
Thanks man, that was from the heart too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MO'SWORK215
To people who take the time to be really conscientious, who are truly into studying pedigrees, adding historical photos, and who want piece of data they add to COUNT towards its fullest potential, they are going to feel the same as you do.
And that is who this place is for ...
Cheers & thanks again!
Jack
I use it to hide my peds from the peds online stalkers so the 100 helps me hide cause the cheap ones in my area wont pay the 100. I dont reg dogs so this helps me keep up with and prove my breedings if i ever needed to. Imo this site is more dogman friendly vs peds is for the beginners and mess carrying people. I doubt many people will pay the hundred to just talk shit about people all day. And most any dogman can and should be able to invest 100 dollars to further his education, not saying that everything on here is the gospel but everyone can learn from this site. I spent 2 hours the on here the over night testing breedings to 2 dogs.
The $70 price hike after so many good folks have come here and contributed to the growth of this place is just kind of insulting, at least I feel that way. Had the price always been the 100 bucks it would be a non issue, it isn't a matter of worth but more a matter of principle.
Especially for the initial reasons given...
I don't think anyone here who is a rational thinking business minded person would disagree with protecting ones investment. That should have been top priority from day one. I think there was a little to much freedom on the pedigree side of this, which is ultimately what got us here.
I'll say for me personally the initial price was certainly well worth it, to modest as I already stated previously. Which is why when I renewed recently (before the changes) I did not ask for the rewards of data entry Jack offers. Not only did I choose to make my monetary contribution without claiming the prize offered, I sprung for the book (which content is displayed here for anyone who subscribes to see) as further show of support. :)
Now if the 100 bucks was an initial membership fee, with a yearly renewal of a lesser amount (like half), then I'd be behind it 100%. That would make more sense at to protecting ones investment to me.
But ultimately if someone wants to come here and harm things $100 isn't going to deter them.
S_B
Very well said, SB. The "principle" you speak about was factored into my decision as well. And I believe Steely hit on that point also in his comment. But I am making financial cut backs so that part was no BS.
S_B, the guys who come here and do good work, like yourself, will not be left out in the cold. No way.
Remember, I have the Awards Program, and there is no way I am going to run off a contributing member like you, or like CYJ, or anyone who's truly doing good work here. No one like that has anything to worry about.
But people who don't do shit, or (worse) who mess up my database with lousy data ... off they can go :bootintheass:
I don't need people who don't add pedigrees, who post links to other pedigree sites, etc. Don't need them at all.
As for the price, price hikes happen all the time, and I agree my initial price was too modest. Now, it is not.
This is an elite place, and it is going to stay priced as one.
All anyone has to do when they come here is ADD GOOD PEDIGREES ... and they ensure a free year's subscription for themselves.
Add enough, you get 2 years; add enough, get a lifetime pass.
Don't want to add peds, but want some extra months added, then refer a paying customer.
But for those who don't add anything here, or who mess things up, then they have to PAY to get in here, and they will lose their privileges if they mess up the data.
I can't be any fairer than that, I don't think.
Ultimately, people prove their worth by what they do/don't do.
I reward those who do; I won't reward those who don't do; and I will remove anyone who messes things-up, be it by way of incompetence or malice.
There are indispensable people here, and there are dispensable people here, and I know the difference.
As for changes, I tried to give people adult freedom here, and I agree, there was a little too much , which has changed.
No one can sabotage the site anymore, and that's the way it's going to stay.
Certain people will ultimately be allowed to make changes, again based on merit, but no one will ever be allowed to make deletions again.
In closing, I thank you sincerely for all you have done.
Jack
Not trying to tell anyone what to do with their money but i have a few pro's vs a few con's.
1. I use this data base as my register for my dogs. I dont use adba.
A. cause when i make a breedings, i can put a pix of the breeding up (pix worth a 1k words) so no one can deny that the breeding took place. Adba cant prove who Gr ch buck is off of nor can a pix of tater or golden boy being berd to red lady but it eases the question
B. If jack place and extra slot under the breeding for pix then i would place another pix of the litter of pups.
2. If you pay to register your dogs then this data base is worth the price of two 6 plus litters a year.
3. In my personal usage it lets me escape peds online pedigree stalkers and followers ( so if the dog thieves that stole are not on here then they lost)
4. Last but not least, its more dogman friendly on this site which translate into more education on things needed.
on the other hand the hike is triple what it use to be which makes in seem a little high, but it is what it is. shit today gas $2.87 here tomorrow prob $3.99. I think im up for a free year this year anyway for the 100 peds added thing. Lol. But seriously I would like more freedom to at least add or delete pix when i want and another slot for pix on the breeding page to show the litter together at birth. I would also like a print options for the peds so that i could have a hard copy as computers are not always an option and if i sold a dog i would like to give out a ped. Just my thoughts
Jack, do i understand correct that managing dogs/breedings I own cannot be done untill 2015? That's really the basics one desires when registering to a dog database don't you agree? As if it wasn't bad enough that i cannot upgrade pictures of dogs i own in first slot
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Make a list of the dogs you personally own and send this to me. With the photos you want updated.Quote:
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Jack
Ah then I misunderstood, my bad. Will do thanks
Reading many of the comments about the price increase got me thinking….Quote:
Originally Posted by S_B
Since this is directly due to the wrongful actions of only a very few members, why not have a different pricing for long time members who have been with this site for several years and for those who have contributed to this community?
Such as a Contributing Member with fee set at $40 a year, or a Long Time Member with a fee of $50 a year? Wouldn’t it be a good idea to reward those who have been on here for some time and who have taken the time to enter a large number of dogs?
Just a thought…. Back to fixing plumbing… haha!
I do see that Jack has addressed most of these issues in his post which I won’t quote as it is all there above.