what will you do with a dog that cant work; in other words you cant put him into any shape. he can race but cant be conditioned
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what will you do with a dog that cant work; in other words you cant put him into any shape. he can race but cant be conditioned
How good is his natural air?
You can't walk him, dragging weight?
I hand walked and fed real good. Also the dog had to have great natural air, hand walking for the 6-8 wks is very time consuming. Yis Ole Mam
every dog can be worked some way.
your right nut all dogs can be worked , it's just a matter of finding what they like to do. I have never known a dog that wouldnt walk .
dito or bike.
he cant run. when he tries to run he falls on his face
Huh?
Post a video clip.
How in the hell can such a thing happen ... and how in the hell can such a dog fight anyway?
This has to be a setup for a joke :lol:
is this an elderly dog? has he been to the vet for a diagnosis ? what type of spot do you have him in? stroke , heavy metal poisioning ? It sounds as if his quality of life is not so good , if thats the case why is he still here?
Or, more importantly, why on earth would you be thinking of "matching" a dog that can't even freaking run???
What the hell lol.
There's always a way to work a dog. This particular dog sounds like it's not his personality that it's difficult to condition him but more so of his physical condition that's an issue. Best of luck to you! Never had a dog that just falls flat on its face just by trying to run! What you described sounds like one of those super deform bully.
will post a vid today
he is 6 months. he was on a chain setup but have been keeping in in crate for bout 2 months now. a little deformed. but he got into a kennel accident with another older male and when i came out , the pup was mopping the floor with the other hound and i quickly picked them both up at the same time and they seperated (hellava handle) lol. but i will post a vid
Buddy, if I were you I won't even be thinking about working him yet. He's only 6 month old and was recently involved in an accident... Just let him rest/heal up and mature before you even start to work him. I'm sure if you let him heal up and mature you won't have any issues working him. Also you shouldn't keep him in a crate as his main stay. Just my 2 cents.
when i say work i mean just walking him in general. letting him off the chain to run around, ect. he was in a yard accident about 5 weeks ago, he is fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pit Bull Committed
There is nothing wrong with a little light work with a young dog to socialize it with the equipment and how to use it it does wonders. If the dog wans't hurt in the accident then i don't understand why mentioning it was useful if he was hurt and its been 5 weeks then there could have been damage to a tendon or musle that has not healed all the way, or was permanently damaged. I usally wont work a dog none until atleast 2 to 3 months after a hunt. JMO
Keeping dogs in a crate can also lead to growth problems...
the reason i mentioned it was becuase jack said "How in the hell can such a thing happen ... and how in the hell can such a dog fight anyway?" just so happen he had a yard accident earlier last month.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eliman
he could not walk well as a young pup, he was always very slow and made it look like it was painful to walk. i would let all of the pups out in yard to run around and he would just stay by me, and go off in his own direction. if another pup would bumb him while running he would fall over and just mind his business.
Jack this is the same pup i posted about the bone deformatity problem. he walks slow, cant run, falls on his face, after a 20 min walk his body just completely goes out and he needs to lay down fror a while to recover.....to many problems with this hound, the only reason i am keeping him and holding on to him until he is adult because of the way he bred and is worth a lot of money, so mabey as he matures and his body fills out it might change. but as of right now i try to socialize him because he is shy and doesnt know anything. so i try to spend time with him and gain his trust,.
Wish you the best bently! Seems like that pup has had a lot of issues. I personally wouldn't keep a dog just because of how it's bred. This is just me though...not trying to start a debate.
Didn't mean nothing by my post its just hard for anyone to answer your questions without the facts more then likely the hound will not recover but i respect you for giving it a chance. When working a dog with a defect like you talk about the risk of injuring it further is high there is no way i can think of besides a swim tank that would be beneficial to the hound and im not 100% that it wont injure itself there. Best of luck
dont get me wrong i have always been hard my dogs and kept a very high standard, which is why i have such a small yard. and as far as this pup goes if he didnt show me what he did in the yard accident i was going to get rid of him, but i just a gut feeling that is telling me not to get rid of the dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pit Bull Committed
Go with what your gut instinct tells you buddy. All you got to lose if he don't work out is time and money. :) Best of luck! I really hope he recovers and become an outstanding bulldogQuote:
Originally Posted by bently
Are you kidding me?Quote:
Originally Posted by bently
You have the lowest standards I have ever heard of ... on yourself ... and how YOU conduct your business as a dogman :idea:
You are the textbook definition of "worst thing that could ever happen to a dog" ...
Okay, so you're trying to socialize him (I guess), but I am just curious, do you do anything else right with your dogs?Quote:
Originally Posted by bently
You keep them in crates till they're deformed; then you put them on ramshackle chain setups that are so embarrassing you delete the photos of them ...
AND that they escape from (and get in yard accidents because of), etc.? (You remember I predicted that?)
Now you're talking about putting them in a keep before he's 7 months old ... when he can't even walk straight ... or before the scabs have even fallen off from a kennel fiasco ... and you have the audacity to say YOU have "high standards?" :confused:
Buddy, lift your head up and look in the mirror so you can see straight: you're a poster child for "the perpetual fuck-up" in dogs :embarrassed: :rolleyes:
There is nothing "high" about your standards in ANYthing that I have either seen, or read about. Nothing.
So I am curious, have you every thought about doing everything RIGHT instead of doing everything wrong?
You might be surprised at how much better your dogs do ... some might even make it to old age on your yard.
Jack
Have to agree , i remember now the dog has rickets from being crated all day. Put the dog down and end its misery the way you describe the dog it doesnt sound valueable at all. Keeping him alive is cruel if you ask me do the right thing its sounds like the dog has permanent damage from being couped up. Yis Ole Man
When the hell did i say i was putting a pup into a keep?Quote:
Originally Posted by CA Jack
and since u take it their jack WE ALL REMEMBER PONCHO IN THAT SHIT SETUP WITH THAT DIRTY ASS TRANSPORTATION CRATE. and then u critisize my settup because you said it had a "large hole in the opening" and "bricks on the side to keep it stable" gtf out of here jack. HOW BIG WAS THAT OPENING OF PONCHO CRATE AND WT ABOUT HIS BRICKS ON THE SIDE OF HIS SHT CRATE. LETS ALL REMEMMBER WHERE WE CAME FROM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Noj7EgiKAZ0
"My dogs Get the best feed possible, walked daily, and no dogs are in crates unless they are injured ""
I can post a pic of him right now and who wont be able to see any visible scars dumb ass.
U go on and on ranting about conditions and shit you have no control over. U think that because u took many ideas from other people and pasted them on a paper and made a book that you are this ultimate "breeder", for christ you wasnt shit as a competitor, yes poncho thorugh a pretty good percentage and his offspring did decent, HOW MANY DID YOU ACTUALY CAMPAIGN YOUR DAMN SELF?
and i never kept a pup in a crate his whole life. He is in with me for most of the day, and when it times for bed he is put into crate
ok
Bently, this dog is badly deformed in the front end, for what ever reasons. That dog can not take any serious work. My brother many years back had a little black/white bitch bred off Tramp Red Boy x W. Martin's lady.
This bitch was well built and could mop up the floor with anything her size. When trying to work her in a pre keep. She showed to have a bad joint in her back leg or what is called a gimp leg. Was of no avail what ever we tried, the defect was inherited. We did not breed her but used her for a roll dog.
I would not breed this dog since he may pass this defect into the puppies. Use him as a roll dog, but doubt it can be properly conditioned.
Fellows no matter how we feel or disagree. If everyone is going to start using vulgar and profane language to express one's self to each other. Why bother to leave on lines pedigree site? There one can talk common as they like to each other and even post any sort of Porno they like and even harassment type attacks. I was hoping this site would stay civil no matter how one may feel.
Standard's of a good dog man is not always how many dogs one shows or wins or loses. Some do better at the breeding aspect while others do better at the showing aspect. Not many can do it all and keep down a full time job. Cheers
the dog in the pic is not the deformed one. that is a female i posted because jack complained about her setup being so bad. She is not deformed its just the way the pic was taken, this bitch in the pic is gunpowder, she is very athletic and strong, no problems with her, although its her littermate brother who is deformed. i will post a picQuote:
Originally Posted by CYJ
and man i am usually cool on this board, i dont crtitize no one or there dogs, because you u never know another mans situation.on this flip side, jack always has this urge to crtitise someone or something if it isnt the way he does it or wants it to be. I mean how dare you critisize me as a dog man and my dogs. I mean lets all rememeber where we all came from "JACK".
With all due respect he is very smart and always can provide help in just about any situation but why always critisize someone because it isnt the way you want it to be. Worry bout your own hounds not others, i mean i can care less about the other mans dogs, long as i know my dogs are ok. I apologize for the bad charecter but he really pissed me off that time.
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after a 20 min walk his body just completely goes out and he needs to lay down fror a while to recover.....to many problems with this hound, the only reason i am keeping him and holding on to him until he is adult because of the way he bred and is worth a lot of money,
dude i ***** dogs with the prettiest peds if theres something i dont like. fuck money. he has to lay down and recover after 20 min of walk? sorry this sounds like a joke to me
Very well said CYJ. Good post.Quote:
Originally Posted by CYJ
Very good post CYJ. Bently post a pic of the pup you keep saying you will, either cull the pup or keep it as a pet theres a defect plain and simple bro. Yis Ole Man
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His feet are eastie westie and the shoulder looks like it was maybe broke as a young pup. if the dog is having trouble now i can only assume it will get much worse and more painful as he ages. Just my two cents but make the right choice for the dog. Ole Man
Damn!!!..I've never seen that video before.Quote:
Originally Posted by bently
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kce3FTkIIyoQuote:
Originally Posted by bently
Skip to 9:22.
And who's giving away them Silverback dogs?
Looks like there isn't enough sunshine in that dogs life. That dog should be humanly put down . He shouldn't be bred to pass on any genetic traits that are defective . As for your yard and set up well o will say it does leave one with the impression that you don't give your dogs what they need, but thats just a snap shot of your place.
:) My advice, put on a thick coat. Take the goods and discard the bads.
Can't believe I need to explain this, but here goes. Read it s.l.o.w.l.y Jack so you don't get the wrong end of the stick ... again!Quote:
Originally Posted by CA Jack
The 51 second video Bently posted cuts off before you can be heard saying it is a temporary chain spot for Poncho. That's why I posted the video and said skip to 9.22 where you can be heard (clear as day) saying it's only a temporary chain spot.
Ok? We friends again?
In regards to the Silverback dogs; that was a question to Bently as he stated he knew someone who was giving some away ... I wouldn't part with mine.