TSK'S Topaz 1W

She was a beautiful dog that was happy and full of fire everyday since i brought her home. I had her for alittle over 7yrs and she was acting like 3yrs old trying get at everything in site. So i figured, id let her get her rocks off one last time. Well she pulled it off with a tremendous show of heart and focus in 1:42, on 2 busted wheels. Sadly i must say that we lost Topaz last night, she was the gamest dog I have ever owned, miss you always Spazzy.

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...hp?dog_id=2849

Congrats

RIP To a very deep game hound. Yis D.M.D.K

Congratulations and condolences. She died as a result of her show?

Congratulations ... but what a shame :crying:

That is pretty old for a bitch to be shown, and to be that game too is a bittersweet victory.

She looked like a rock-solid, happy, intelligent animal.

Thanks for the kind words everybody. Yes she died due to damage from the show, she met another bad bitch in her own right.

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Originally Posted by TopShelfKennels

Thanks for the kind words everybody. Yes she died due to damage from the show, she met another bad bitch in her own right.

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I can only imagine how hard she would had went in her prime. BIG UPS on her W and my condolences on your lost.

Beautiful animal bro

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Originally Posted by CA Jack

Congratulations ... but what a shame :crying:

That is pretty old for a bitch to be shown, and to be that game too is a bittersweet victory.

She looked like a rock-solid, happy, intelligent animal.

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PRIDE can be a mother fuxxxr just knowing when to pick up could mean the world of difference! yes, you may have got the victory but you really lost a game hound! And game one's don't come around every day! and with that amount of thrashing she took early on it was not to wise to leave her in there that long! Peace and God bless a true game hound that even tho she never had enuff for her opponent she had more heat then most to come from the bottom and come with 3 flats and Hamburg chest and still come across with a focus on her face that would have made anyone believe she could win! Once more peace and God bless Topaz 1xw R.I.P!

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Originally Posted by ragedog10

PRIDE can be a mother fuxxxr just knowing when to pick up could mean the world of difference! yes, you may have got the victory but you really lost a game hound! And game one's don't come around every day! and with that amount of thrashing she took early on it was not to wise to leave her in there that long! Peace and God bless a true game hound that even tho she never had enuff for her opponent she had more heat then most to come from the bottom and come with 3 flats and Hamburg chest and still come across with a focus on her face that would have made anyone believe she could win! Once more peace and God bless Topaz 1xw R.I.P!

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At the end of the day, Pride is not why we got in that [ ] regardless of what you think you know. This is a full contact sport and with that comes the chance of serious injury or death. That dog did what she loved to do, and brought home the bacon, i am extremely proud of her. I do not regret for one second letting her quit that dog, how ever unfortunate it is, its a risk that all who compete take.

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Originally Posted by ragedog10

PRIDE can be a mother fuxxxr just knowing when to pick up could mean the world of difference! yes, you may have got the victory but you really lost a game hound! And game one's don't come around every day! and with that amount of thrashing she took early on it was not to wise to leave her in there that long! Peace and God bless a true game hound that even tho she never had enuff for her opponent she had more heat then most to come from the bottom and come with 3 flats and Hamburg chest and still come across with a focus on her face that would have made anyone believe she could win! Once more peace and God bless Topaz 1xw R.I.P!

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Originally Posted by TopShelfKennels

At the end of the day, Pride is not why we got in that [ ] regardless of what you think you know. This is a full contact sport and with that comes the chance of serious injury or death. That dog did what she loved to do, and brought home the bacon, i am extremely proud of her. I do not regret for one second letting her quit that dog, how ever unfortunate it is, its a risk that all who compete take.

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Such a touchy subject ... the thrill/risk of competition versus the loss of a truly game dog :idea:

On the one hand, how do we get to hear the story of such a game dog as Ozzie's Ch Homer ... without first losing him to his Herculean efforts ... and yet, on the other hand, is "Homer's story" really better for gamedog history than having the availability of his fantastic genetics (had be been picked up sooner)?

If we take this extreme example above, and apply it to your bitch here, as nice as it is to know how game your bitch was ... how does that really help you now that "the gamest bitch you've ever owned" is dead?
How can you build a linebreeding program off of this bitch now (unless you have a lot of offspring from her already)? In losing "your gamest bitch," you're now going to have to build your yard off of lesser bitches ... and "talk about" how game your other bitch was ...

Philosophers have a tendency to say, "All truth contains paradox" ... and the great paradox about these dogs being left down to prove the ultimate level of gameness is ... you no longer have access to them when you find that out :confused:

Jack

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Originally Posted by CA Jack

Such a touchy subject ... the thrill/risk of competition versus the loss of a truly game dog :idea:

On the one hand, how do we get to hear the story of such a game dog as Ozzie's Ch Homer ... without first losing him to his Herculean efforts ... and yet, on the other hand, is "Homer's story" really better for gamedog history than having the availability of his fantastic genetics (had be been picked up sooner)?

If we take this extreme example above, and apply it to your bitch here, as nice as it is to know how game your bitch was ... how does that really help you now that "the gamest bitch you've ever owned" is dead?
How can you build a linebreeding program off of this bitch now (unless you have a lot of offspring from her already)? In losing "your gamest bitch," you're now going to have to build your yard off of lesser bitches ... and "talk about" how game your other bitch was ...

Philosophers have a tendency to say, "All truth contains paradox" ... and the great paradox about these dogs being left down to prove the ultimate level of gameness is ... you no longer have access to them when you find that out :confused:

Jack

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Man, I would love to talk dogs with on cloud 9 Jack, for real, that would be a bad ass conversation.

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she was acting like 3yrs old trying get at everything in site. So i figured, id let her get her rocks off one last time.

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I hear this allot. With no disrespect intentioned, but on the long run older dogs always going to be in disadvantage.
Anyway if you had already breed her or you didnt have any more breeding plans for her, i might have done the same thing.

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Originally Posted by blak

Man, I would love to talk dogs with on cloud 9 Jack, for real, that would be a bad ass conversation.

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That would be another 6-hour dogman conversation, yep 8)

As someone that respects gameness more than most, I will say I'd never show a dog over 7 years of age. I have a 10 year old dog that acts like she's 3 and will jump on anything from pups, grown dogs, bears, dragons (you get the drift).

Showing dogs is a very difficult thing to do for people that really care about their dogs. It comes down to whether or not you're able to really risk the dog's life if said dog is still in the thick of the battle. I know some truly competitive men that can and some that can't. There are times, especially shows like this, where pride DOES play a part in what we decide what to do, but pride has nothing to do with knowing when to pick up. Not saying OP was prideful in what he did; I'm just stating some things I've seen over the years. I've been prideful in one particular instance, and it cost me. I'd be a liar if I sat here and said, at certain times, I wish I would've done something different. I didn't, and that's basically the end of it.

I'm not a firm believer in dogs actually "loving" what they do, especially when it comes down to three flats and a chest that looks like hamburger. That subject can be debated to death ad nauseam.

At the end of the day, I look for and expect a particular level of gameness from my dogs. I understand that with pushing them to those gray areas, the risk of high of losing an animal due to that is high. It doesn't have to necessarily be a show to see that, but it seems that's how it works with most people. Either way, the risk is still great that a life may be lost, and it's something that I have to struggle with each time we get to that point of the dog's career. The balance between what I expect and what's best for the dog is always a delicate balance that's sometimes out of whack due to situations. I hate it.

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Originally Posted by TopShelfKennels

At the end of the day, Pride is not why we got in that [ ] regardless of what you think you know. This is a full contact sport and with that comes the chance of serious injury or death. That dog did what she loved to do, and brought home the bacon, i am extremely proud of her. I do not regret for one second letting her quit that dog, how ever unfortunate it is, its a risk that all who compete take.

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Yeah you can say Wat you want but with that chump change you could never buy a good one that displayed the amount gameness she did! Your bitch was dam near 9years old your yard is based on her! As much as you may have thought it would have been a easy one she took a true killing from the start! It's a thin line between professional's And a know it all! it wasn't done for house money just enuff to feed the yard and medical supplies! Like I have said congratulations one the win b.u.t it sucks that that you lose! That it is a full contact sport with major risk but in this sport the contender can't tell you hay I'm getting killed in here you may need to get me out of here in the next few minutes! It's up to the handler to say it's not worth it!That's just a true game hound will never let you know they can't win ie Gameness! Well I guess you have a yard full of game plugs! It was your choice and I respect that fully! I'm just expressing my thoughts as to had it been me with that amount invested into my brood bitch at 9! Don't be so quick to jump on the defensive just expressing my thoughts on the matter that was at hand! As for me I could really careless that hound lost before she ever stepped over them walls handling can mean a big different in how much damage ones hounds will take! once more congratulations to the hound and to top shelf!

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Originally Posted by CA Jack

Such a touchy subject ... the thrill/risk of competition versus the loss of a truly game dog :idea:

On the one hand, how do we get to hear the story of such a game dog as Ozzie's Ch Homer ... without first losing him to his Herculean efforts ... and yet, on the other hand, is "Homer's story" really better for gamedog history than having the availability of his fantastic genetics (had be been picked up sooner)?

If we take this extreme example above, and apply it to your bitch here, as nice as it is to know how game your bitch was ... how does that really help you now that "the gamest bitch you've ever owned" is dead?
How can you build a linebreeding program off of this bitch now (unless you have a lot of offspring from her already)? In losing "your gamest bitch," you're now going to have to build your yard off of lesser bitches ... and "talk about" how game your other bitch was ...

Philosophers have a tendency to say, "All truth contains paradox" ... and the great paradox about these dogs being left down to prove the ultimate level of gameness is ... you no longer have access to them when you find that out :confused:

Jack

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This is all I'm trying to say is the possibility of creating a line off her is now forever gone! I had a ruff son off her whom I liked other then the fact that he didn't like children so I was hard on him and on a good day he would fly with the eagles and on a bad day he would wallow like shit! He didn't make the grade of his classmates and not liking children didnt help him much either! Like it has been said it's a very touchy topic and I have had to learn it the hard way ! And all that's left is a few pics,stories and the mention of a true dead game hound! With nothing to add to our line,breed ect! At the end of the day if it's been dam near 2hours and the only thing that's been carrying me thru out this was kicking is my gameness! As I have mature in this sport I can see that today just might not be my day throw in the towel shake my opponents hand and start trying to save my buddy! Think about how many losers add to our hounds! why is that? Because someone decided to see how this game loser would throw!

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Originally Posted by TopShelfKennels

At the end of the day, Pride is not why we got in that [ ] regardless of what you think you know. This is a full contact sport and with that comes the chance of serious injury or death. That dog did what she loved to do, and brought home the bacon, i am extremely proud of her. I do not regret for one second letting her quit that dog, how ever unfortunate it is, its a risk that all who compete take.

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