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Had a recent conversation with a guy who in a nut shell told me he doesn't have any love for his hounds and I guess that's how he goes about his thing. Now to each his own is my opinion, but since I don't share that feeling I decided to put it out there to see how many others feel the same.
I just couldn't expect one to give me all they got if I didn't give him/her everything I had. That one ingredient could be the difference between a scratch or being counted out. Gotta have love.
I didn't see any dogs yet who gave something about love in the corner but sure i "love" them and always give them the best i can. Untill one stops :rolleyes:
I heard an older guy say once, "You can love these dogs but you can't be in love with them". EWO
Love is a must but you have to b able to call a spade a spade IMO
We love the good ones..
An old timer told me 20 years ago that if you really love your dog, you'll do the best for him, and that's half the battle.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToTheDogs
EVO ,you are right on that if not more than half.
that frame of mind isnt unheard of...... to a lot of folks these dogs are "tools", nothing more....... I find it sad to be honest....... and i LOVE my dogs.... yes even the ones that stop...... just because you lose a dog who doesnt make the cut,..... doesnt mean you dont lose a friend!
I just keep going back to that ol saying you get out of something what you put in, so when it stops on you and your the kinda guy that has no love for it then you really have to figure whether or not you did everything in your power to give said dog the best chance at being successful.
Then again I spend more one on one time with mine so I love more things about them than performance. With that said I know what these dogs were bred to do so I keep that in full perspective. But at the same time if this fucker is dumb, or not a pleasure to be around and the ONLY thing it can do is brawl, that's not my ideal dog I like em well rounded from the attitude to the conformation to intelligence to producing. Reason being is because a dog may win/lose because of the situation and not its own ability. Some are miss matched, some aren't ripe, some are stale, and many many of em have idiots for owners that kill the dogs potential and credit but it all falls back on the dog not the guy who instead of love he puts nothing but expectation on the dogs shoulders. There's nothing wrong with loving your dog just so long as it doesn't blind you to the truth.
A bond between Dogman and hound to me is important i have seen with my own eyes hounds work harder and pull ahead just by the encouraging voice of its master To each his own
RoughNeck
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Originally Posted by Eliman
110% spot on....
This type of thinking has been going on for decades, and there are plenty of examples of each. I do the best I can do for the few dogs I have now in regards to feeding, raising, schooling, etc. That being said, I don't love every dog I have. Hell, some I can't much stand, but that doesn't change the quality of dog they are. They don't need my love to perform to the utmost of their ability.
I've seen countless dogs come from men that do nothing but throw feed at them and work them when it's time. I've seen dogs from those guys win, lose, quit, take their death, etc just as much as the next man has seen it from others who pour their heart and soul into dogs. So, in the end, what difference does it really make? It doesn't make any difference. It's nothing more than a personal preference. I don't have an issue with people thinking a bond is important. I do take a little umbrage when people say a bond is a must as it most certainly isn't.
Well put wise
Very interesting post FROSTY PAWS, seen a dog man bringing his match dog into his bed room each evening in a keep, trying to make the 100% bond, only to have his dog quit in 20-30 mins for no reason, I think he listens to me a bit better now, after I told him bedrooms is were you bring your women , you can spend a lot of time bonding with the wrong dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostyPaws
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Originally Posted by The Old Timer.
The bond he made with that hound probably gave him an extra 15 mins.....lol....it's in them are not you can't give a hound heart.....
Next level ,that sure is a pretty dog !!
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Originally Posted by waccamaw
Looking like a young Gr Ch rattler in that picture thanks Big Unk..... He works like him too....
You cant give a dog heart, but you can pull a little extra out of him and that could be the difference between you pulling ahead or getting out pulled. When all things are considered equal, just about anything can tip the scale your way including your bond with your animal. If you picked the wrong dog, nothing is going to help you.
maybe you picked the wrong dog or maybe the dog is thinkin fk I got the wrong guy in my corner lol
i think there is just 2 things you can achieve with a good bond, it doesnt apply on all type of dogs though. 1: some dogs listen to voice commando's 2: keep the dog hanging in there when he is going deep, letting him know his friend is by his side. im pretty sure a dog wont make an extra scratch because of a good bond :)
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Originally Posted by R2L
thats quite the broad statement to make that NO dog will make an extra scratch due to encouragement from his handler...Quote:
Originally Posted by R2L
I can't imagine myself raising hounds without a real close bond.. The bond for me keeps us on point from the feed to housing and over all care for my partners... I see in my hounds behavior that the extra mile on my part is appreciated..
Sam, you being the caregiver for the dog should keep you on point for all of that. You shouldn't require a bond to give your dog 100% of what it needs to succeed. I've had bonds with dogs when I first got started, and they quit. I've not had bonds, and they've taken their death. I don't think you can work a dog multiple times and not develop some type of bond with the dog, but I don't believe it makes any difference in the dog. You talking to the dog, or being it's best friend, isn't going to make it run another scratch if it's had enough. Like OT, I've seen a man bring his house dog to a show. How much more of a bond can you have in the scheme of things. The dog quit in 40 mins.
As I said, it's more of a preference than anything else.
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Originally Posted by FrostyPaws
You are 100% correct Frosty "Preference" and that's my stance on the subject..