What's ya take on either , any known performer with either? How does it effect dog..
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What's ya take on either , any known performer with either? How does it effect dog..
A little under bite may not matter that much. Not sure about a over bite, that probably would create a big biting disadvantage. Considering how a dog bites bones etc. Dogs that have a long strong wide muzzle with the big jaw muscles on the side of head. Black Bull Terrier type eyes forward. Most of this types can really bite hard and get out of bad holds easier.
Not talking about a English bull terrier type muzzle etc. Lot of those freak bred dogs have bad over bites. There was a old book reprinted on the first breeder of the English Bull Terrier with old pictures. Not even the same type looking dog today.
Dogs with too big of a over all head can be at a disadvantage. Like a Boxer with arms/shoulder etc. built up to big for their weight size. Just more weight to hold up in the tiring latter rounds.
I always liked the A.P.B.T. Standard shown on the front of the old Pete Spark's Your Friend and Mine magazines. Most of these type looking dogs are found in the 45 pound to lower weights of 35 to 30 pounds.
Great response.
The principles of leverage state that, the longer the fulcrum, the greater the leverage. However, with biting, the scissor effect plays a great role in inflicting damage. Therefore, slightly undershot dogs (who still scissor at the bite point, just reversed) will almost invariably be the hardest biters.
Overshot dogs (parrot-mouth) will be at an extreme disadvantage: no scissor / no leverage.
Jack
was wondering the same. this one of my pups @ 6 months. hopefully it will be fine when he's an adult.
http://s16.postimg.org/68n6bdmth/005.jpg
Usually they do not grow out of it. Odds are the bottom and top will row at the same rate. I am sure some get better but I would not think it would get from bad to best with growth.
The slightly overbite dogs get the scissor action. The leverage is the base for hard mouth. The scissor action leads to the visual damage. Without the scissor action that same leveraged/hard mouth dog would then fall into the pressure biter category. The dog bites and bites and when it does finally draw blood it is from a swollen area and the blood, as the old folks say, 'is from the deep', damn near purple. Basically bruising from underneath first, internal bleeding then exposed to air later.
Undershot normally leaves the dog at a disadvantage from the leverage standpoint as well as the scissor action. EWO
Aha, i don't expect them to become perfect but i've read the upper and lower jaw grow independently.
I think he was 5 months when i took the photo. One way to find out if its a problem for him :idea:
Thanks for insight, was wondering because I bred my bitch back to her father . She has an underbite 2 out of eight pups have it. Looking to keep it out if its a prob an only few ways of doing so, pups are acting very well just notice one male does not grab as his brothers with hide or other toys. Still young so I was wonder if later he would be ok , but I have came to this that I won't bred him due to this
CA Jack going to post pics later tell me what you think if you don't mind
Ditto the last statement. EWO
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Since a 'normal' bite is with the upper palate slightly past the lower, in perfect scissor, then a 'slightly overshot' dog no longer has a scissor bite by default ...
Most of the historically-hard mouthed dogs were slightly undershot: White Rock, Ch Spike, Boomerang, and I think Zebo, etc.
You are correct Jack! Slightly undershot dogs bite MUCH harder and they hold a hell of a lot better too! IWe were always told by our mentor, "Undershot is a gripper bite!" We mean, it's obvious, you do not want an extreme under bite, but an UNDER SCISSOR is preferred in our yard.
been trying to get some pics posted but the lil rascal wont let me get good pics. thanks a lot for all you guys input
So are you guys saying that if he still has the scissor an his lower sticks out slightly he still should be ok.
One of mine with slight underbite.
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/...psd138dc96.jpg
I should have proofed before I posted. It should have said the "slightly overbite dogs do not get the scissor action" I left out the 'do not'. Moving too fast. EWO
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Why the he$$ did you delete my link when I payed to use this forum.. If I could post pic on here I would have done so.. If I could post off my phone there would be no problem.. It's about the dogs not the forum, when there have been plenty links from peds used on here before mine