Normal ranges :
rbc: 5.50 to 8.50
hct: 37.0-55
hgb: 12.0-18.0
At What point would you pay forfeit? For me, hct has to have a minimun of 42, and I still have to think about it. Let's here your thoughts.
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Normal ranges :
rbc: 5.50 to 8.50
hct: 37.0-55
hgb: 12.0-18.0
At What point would you pay forfeit? For me, hct has to have a minimun of 42, and I still have to think about it. Let's here your thoughts.
Do you want to explain which are those shortcuts and why you are making this checks?
evrey hound different you just got to no your hound in that should be no in school before u step out what in where your hound can performance but if u a bad mf it shouldt mater unless u low low on hct
If the hct is at 37 or below.... they cannot perform. There are NO shortcuts, you can use epogen, but if you use a fraction too much, you risk the blood being too thick and dog dying. The best thing to do is Check your bkoodwork before the keep, midpoint, and week prior, that way you know if the dog is being overworked, or underfed. Downtown used to feed the dog as much as he could eat during the hardest part (peak ) of keep, he said that Whatever the dog didn't use, he would dump out. Scientifically speaking, only 3 reasons Why rbc, hct, or hemoglobin is low:Quote:
Originally Posted by unknow kennel
1. Overworked.. not enough recovery
2. Underfed: worrying about making weight vs What dog needs
3. Babesia
Or any combination of of those three things. It has NOTHING to do with whether or not a dog is a bulldog. Everything else being equal, amount of punishment, and quality of oponent, the dog with a 55 hct quits cause he wants to, a dog with a 32 count quits cause his body just cant do it. He doesn't have enough oxygen to get to muscle or brain.
I feel pretty good with hct in low 40s, high 30s not so much.
If I was eating alot of chick/pork hct would stay low no matter how much I eat. adding greens/citrus fruit seemed to help
A lot of dogs get ruined by irresponsible owners. Whitepaw hung it up in an hour this weekend. He had won two prior. The second with an even lower count. It was a miracle he had gone 1:40 plus change for #2. Anyway, he probably would have made champion. But against all advice, his owner went ahead and showed him with this below blood count: Gentleman, IMPOSSIBLE TO WIN A WEIGHT PULL LIKE THIS. This was the count 3 days before the show , No treatment given, no additional bloodwork the day before. This is an example of what NOT to do. Its a hard lesson to learn. The owner had good intentions, and he worked hard,actually a good guy, but it was a stupid decision, a stupid mistake, and the dog paid the price. Half dog,Half owner. Just VERY upsetting.
http://www.machobuck.com/Whitepawblood.jpg
Why did he do the test if he was going to show the dog regardless the outcome?
If its not possible to take your dog to a vet, is it possible to take some blood on your own and bring it directly to a lab?
That is *the* question to ask right there :idea:Quote:
Originally Posted by R2L
The whole point of getting bloodwork done: to determine if the dog's system is in optimal shape and therefore capable of handling the ordeal.
Good post.
Optimal shape is one thing, but that isn't even liveable. A few points less and the dog would need a blood transfusion to stay alive. There is nothing on that printout that tells you that you are ready to go. It SCREAMS... " HEY, I DON'T FEEL GOOD " dogs CAN'T TALK, IF THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD TELL YOU. .. "IF the dog is feeling good, and acting good, I'm gonna do him " What the flock does that mean??? If he wags his tail and is Happy when he sees you? THAT'S Why you do bloodwork, it tells you how the dog is feeling! The flocking dog wagging his tail doesn't tell you shit. The whole thing is upsetting.
Pride comes before the fall
Evo I new he was a bull dog but I want to no how much bull dog I dont sell pup or stud off my yard but if he would pull it off what would be said I can only wonuder that a lot of them don't make it to the ring he won two in fashion so I put him against the odds but me in the team agree on what ever happen don't let him die but I no one thing now he's a true bull dog in that what I want to no I did the test to make sure he was below 30 not to decide was he going to go or not every fock kennel got a champion but who got one that won two in less then two mouth yea the olds was against me in him but two stand out in the game that the shit u got do
2xw 1 xl he lost the three 7 week after he won the second a bad ass hound hands down some people stud never see the pit they go off paper work yes a hard lose to swallow but we new it would if we lost 1 w went 41 min 2 w went 1:47 7 week later he went 58 min a folk bull dog people hands down so Evo u can post his CBC all u want but we was after history not a champion
You are not understanding. It has nothing to do with being a bulldog.. YOU PAY FORFEIT ANYWHERE BELOW 42, NOT 30! WHY can't you understand that? Your cells need oxygen, the cells in your muscle need oxygen, the cells in the brain need oxygen. The lungs put the oxygen in the blood, the Red blood cell carries the oxygen with hemoglobin into the brain and muscle. YOU HAD NO RED BLOOD CELLS, YOU HAD NO HEMOGLOBIN! PERIOD. YOU CAN'T ARGUE. YOU COULD HAVE BROUGHT GR.CH.BUCK, MAYDAY, any dog with that count and they will stop. THEY CAN'T EVEN THINK STRAIGHT MUCH LESS PULL. You are wrong, " to stand out in the game" you WIN . You didn't help your dog, you were AGAINST him. I'll put it in words that you can understand, you filled up your car with half a tank of gas and half a tank of water and took it to the racetrack. Your car blew up, and you said that it was OK because That's the stuff you try and do to stand out in the game. NO SIR! IT IS NOT. With all due respect you are 100% wrong . Ask the board members. A Boston terrier would have beaten you. You want to try it? Eat nothing but lettuce and water for 6 weeks, so that yiur rbc count is at 32, then try to run 9 miles. Well see if you can do it. Again, I am elated that you are at least competing, and your intentions are good, all props, but your decision was absolutely and unarguably STUPID. Everyone on this board will agree.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE DID. GR.CH.MACHOBUCK WON 3 IN 14 WEEKS. BUT WE DID IT WITH HIGHER THAN 32 BLOOD COUNT.Quote:
Originally Posted by unknow kennel
His count was 32 four days out so he problem was 35 or 37 but no disrespect he live in he's my stud dog that what I brought him for not to sell pup for no body else my point u get on here in bad talk the team in front of the world you don't do that u no my number in the team number this bull shit u pulling on here back then u tell me yall really was doing blood count ok How we folk him up he didt die in we don't sell pup or stud out so why are u acting a fool we was just chase a dream without geting him kill
Okay fellas, this thread is done.
IMO, there is value in "airing dirty laundry" because it shows the steps fools make to put themselves in the loser's circle. Hell I have aired my own failings to help show people where I went wrong.
Hey, we all make mistakes. However, a person making a mistake because he didn't know any better is one thing ... but a reckless idiot being committed to stupidy, despite knowledgeable advice right in front of him, is something else entirely.
Ultimately, if you want your dog to do its best then YOU have to do your best ... and sending a dog in to fight for his life, underweight and with a low bloodcount, doesn't qualify as anyone's "best" ... it only qualifies as reckless stupidity.
No disrespect to anyone, as we've all been guilty of this a time or two, but that's just the way it is.
Carry on now :D
Jack