THE BADDEST DOGS IN HISTORY

Im not a cheat and i wont tell u shit either.

I think if you are a true sportsman u respect ur opponent and dont talk shit about the other man's dog. Let the dog do the talking, win and shake the guys hand.

Not that i didnt expect u to be an asshole. lol

Never pull any tricks either, im with Jack on that one. "My HONEST desire to see WHICH DOG truly is superior won't allow it."

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Originally Posted by CA Jack

We can go on down the line with your question:

If I get away with stealing weight at the scale, is that "great handling" or is it cheating?

If I get away with feeding your dog acepromazine in a burger bit, by putting it out where I tell you to "walk your dog" before the show, was that "great handling," or was it cheating?

If I get away with bumping my dog on his turn to go, which prompts him to scratch, is that "great handling," or is it cheating?

Cheating = cheating
Which means getting away with something you're NOT supposed to do.

By contrast, truly great handling would be me catching my dog up from the bottom, on a split-second out of hold, getting the scratching started ... and your dog failing to scratch ... and me winning with the bottom dog thanks to my LEGAL handle.

Is is called GREAT handling, precisely because IT WAS POSITIVE ... 1) it took speed, 2) it took skill, 3) it took savvy and experience to spot the right moment, and most importantly, 4) IT WAS ALLOWED within the rules of the contest ...

To call ANY form of cheating "great" anything is to SPIT ON the word, "great."

Cheating = lowdown, dirty bullshit ... and there is nothing "great" about it.

Jack

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Very good post

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Originally Posted by skipper

I would use every trick i can to give my dog an edge. But never to the extent were it hurts the other dog. Like jack wrote possibly poisoning or some shit like that. Being a bit of an asshole in the pit is part of the game, and its up to the opponent to catch it and point it to the ref.

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Ok so you would give your dog a bump in the corner when its his time to scratch. (every trick)

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Originally Posted by Nut

Im not a cheat and i wont tell u shit either.

I think if you are a true sportsman u respect ur opponent and dont talk shit about the other man's dog. Let the dog do the talking, win and shake the guys hand.

Not that i didnt expect u to be an asshole. lol

Never pull any tricks either, im with Jack on that one. "My HONEST desire to see WHICH DOG truly is superior won't allow it."

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I am more playful than a true asshole ... talking shit in a fun way, not really trying to be a jerk.

But no way would I do something underhanded, hurt your dog with drugs/poison, or in any way deviate from THE TRUTH of which dog truly was better.

Jack

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Originally Posted by Nut

Im not a cheat and i wont tell u shit either.

I think if you are a true sportsman u respect ur opponent and dont talk shit about the other man's dog. Let the dog do the talking, win and shake the guys hand.

Not that i didnt expect u to be an asshole. lol

Never pull any tricks either, im with Jack on that one. "My HONEST desire to see WHICH DOG truly is superior won't allow it."

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Originally Posted by Nut

Ok so you would give your dog a bump in the corner when its his time to scratch. (every trick)

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Considering that's a foul i don't think that would be very smart. But if you weren't good enough to pick up on it, sure why not?

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Originally Posted by CA Jack

There is a BIG difference from being an asshole and being a cheat.

I could be a huge asshole in the pit. For example, if my dog was doing well (and they usually did, lol), I would say, "I thought you said your dogs have talent?", etc. :lol:

But I have NEVER been a cheat. My ego, and HONEST desire to see WHICH DOG truly is superior won't allow it.

I don't have a big match career, but I have rolled with many of the best dogmen from a lot of different states.

When checking my dogs, if my dog can't legitimately beat your dog, then I need to know that in order to breed dogs capable of winning.
No way in hell would I be satisfied with a bullshit win OR with a dog that needed one.

But if my dog is kicking your dog's ass, then (sorry) you might have to listen to some shit :rotflmao:

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LOL I'm pretty much the same. Unless your a friend. Then i'm very pleasant to deal with. That is if i would be fighting dogs. Witch i'm obviously not.

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Originally Posted by Nut

Im not a cheat and i wont tell u shit either.

I think if you are a true sportsman u respect ur opponent and dont talk shit about the other man's dog. Let the dog do the talking, win and shake the guys hand.

Not that i didnt expect u to be an asshole. lol

Never pull any tricks either, im with Jack on that one. "My HONEST desire to see WHICH DOG truly is superior won't allow it."

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Amen! I wish more folks who are into these dogs are like you! I've seen many that behaved worst than monkeys during a match. I simply refuse myself to be with monkey class people. Doesn't matter if they got the baddest dog that I like to see mine go with. I truly believe there are only a handful of respectable people out there that would care to enjoy a peaceful match. ;)

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Originally Posted by skipper

Considering that's a foul i don't think that would be very smart. But if you weren't good enough to pick up on it, sure why not?

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Why not?

The reason is called INTEGRITY. Because, without that, a person isn't worth a squirt of piss IMO.

And the act of "cheating" (if you think you can get away with it) means you have no integrity, so I am surprised you feel this is okay.

As the great philosopher Democritus correctly observed 500 years B.C.:

"True virtue lies not in merely 'avoiding' wrongdoing, but in having no wish to do wrong."

I have absolutely no desire to harm your dog by foul ... nor to cheat you out of your money ... but I have every desire in the world that my dog kick your dog's ass and/or pound him into submission on his scratches.

Yet, after it is over, I will do everything in my power to help you save your dog. And I would only deal with people who think likewise.

But hey, if my dog can't pull it off, and your dog gets the best of mine (by honest means also), then I will simply take my hat off and give you and your dog the credit you both deserve.

I have way too much pride for ANY other outcome than these ... Period.

Jack, I have never cheated in my life. Never taken money i didn't rightfully earned. I don't give a rats ass about anyones integrity other than mine. I don't worry about cheaters. I should pick a ref good enough that i don't have to worry.