DISPUTED OR FAKE PEDS FROM THE PAST AND PRESENT .

By bullshit i meant the bickering and arguing in the post

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By bullshit i meant the bickering and arguing in the post

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Hi ragedog , yes i agree that bickering is bullshit, but it wasnt me who started it, i just posted my thoery or the old theorys that have been talked about before ,and boom you all just went to attaking me rather than debating the subject, but im glad you have now started to do that ragedog ,lets hope some others try to look at the probable and factual over the improbable and the unlikely .

There are no facts. just second hand stories and 50 year old recorded info that may or may not be accurate. For arguments sake, it is possible for birthdays to be recorded wrong, stories to be embellished or strong details left out/added over time. None of the information here is factual or should I say nothing here can be proven as factual. It's history aka his--story. it's whatever you'd like to make of it but unless you got a time machine or DNA samples... this is 16 pages of speculation. There is no proving who blind billy was off, nor Eli. Unless you know all parties involved and witnessed it or got conclusive stories from everyone, you will never know the truth. 3 sides to a story, your side his side and then the truth wich will remain untold.

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There are no facts. just second hand stories and 50 year old recorded info that may or may not be accurate. For arguments sake, it is possible for birthdays to be recorded wrong, stories to be embellished or strong details left out/added over time. None of the information here is factual or should I say nothing here can be proven as factual. It's history aka his--story. it's whatever you'd like to make of it but unless you got a time machine or DNA samples... this is 16 pages of speculation. There is no proving who blind billy was off, nor Eli. Unless you know all parties involved and witnessed it or got conclusive stories from everyone, you will never know the truth. 3 sides to a story, your side his side and then the truth wich will remain untold.

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Hi blackhand, i agree their is always the chance that every detsail of every pedigree and every story on every dog in every book and magazine could all be wrong and all the dates wrong , but on the facts or known history which has never been disputed and pedigrees filed with the various registries adba and ukc then adding the circumstantial evidence it certainly looks like someone was not being completly honest thats for sure, and my money using all of the evidence both factual and circumstantial would be to go with the the law of probable over the more improbable , which leads me to floyd having been a naughty boy .

Blackhand my question to you is this, if we for one minute agree for arguments sake that all the dobs and the dibo stroy is correct plus crybaby and using floyds own words and if you need to add in the circumstantial evidence (i dont think it matters much but it does add up if you take the other evidence as true ) and tell me what conclusion you would make
as to blind billy and subsequently ELI and his probable true pedigree .

I don't know how he has the time to do this, but Projectx is just jacking with everyone here. Surely I'm right. No one can be this big an idiot........can they?

Happy New Year ProjectX

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There are no facts. just second hand stories and 50 year old recorded info that may or may not be accurate. For arguments sake, it is possible for birthdays to be recorded wrong, stories to be embellished or strong details left out/added over time. None of the information here is factual or should I say nothing here can be proven as factual. It's history aka his--story. it's whatever you'd like to make of it but unless you got a time machine or DNA samples... this is 16 pages of speculation. There is no proving who blind billy was off, nor Eli. Unless you know all parties involved and witnessed it or got conclusive stories from everyone, you will never know the truth. 3 sides to a story, your side his side and then the truth wich will remain untold.

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Why not put your time in the future. The way those dogs were bred is no longer relevant?

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Why not put your time in the future. The way those dogs were bred is no longer relevant?

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That is a fitting way to end this thread :idea:

This thread was closed because of what an incredible lemming Project X was, but CYJ asked that I place this addendum in here:

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Originally Posted by CYJ

Hello Jack. That ProjectX topic section was closed. Which it should have been. I was looking at my comments on the V. Jackson X Pool Hall Red match. I talked to V. Jackson a few days back and he is coming to visit me tomorrow.

His Step son is getting married this Sunday in Beaufort S.C. So V.J. and his wife are coming through. First time I have seem him face to face in 20 years.

I ask him if he had used his Shiloh bitch that night against Pool Hall Red. He told me no, that it was a good little carver bred bitch owned by Robert Swetman, named Gold Pudding. Gold Pudding and Shiloh looked a lot a like so being so many years ago. I named the wrong dog in that event. R. Swetman and H. Hargrove were good friends and had dogs of their own and together.

I was wanting to go back in that topic section and edit my remarks and correct. IF I make a mistake or misquote. I try to fix any wrong info. pronto.

I did not put in there all that could be told about that match due to hurting some of these younger dog men's confidence in their personal today dogs.

Gold Pudding was a vicious hard biting dog like Pool Hall Red. Red got in some serious early shots that told on Gold Pudding later in the game. Had not been for V.J.'s outstanding conditioning a lesser dog would have lost in the early stages of that match.

Gold Pudding took some vicious hard nose holds on Pool Hall's muzzle, we thought her muzzle was going to be torn off. Pool Hall was screaming for all she was worth, do not blame her, I would be too. LOL

At the end, Gold Pudding after deliberately stalled by the noisy crowd. Made a dead game scratch pushing with her back legs to a foot of Pool Hall Red. Got counted out. On the courtesy scratch when I. Jerry released Pool Hall Red. She would not cross the scratch line and went back behind Jerry's legs. Gold Pudding died not many minutes after leaving the pit.

When Pool Hall fought Mayfield's Easy. She had been taken to the well one time to many. Was never in the match and Jerry picked her up. Cheers

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I only edited one part, to spare a person's name from being used, but this is the private message CYJ sent to me, above, concerning the history of these dogs.

Jack

PS: Now that Project X has received the boot, I have opened this topic back up ...

ALOT IF THE FAKE PEDS CAME WHEN RALPH TOOK OVER THE ADBA WHEN HE LET PEOPLE REG THEIR DOGS ANY THEY WANTED TO,TO BIULD UP MEMBERSHIP. JIMMY BOOTS PED WAS CHANGE TOO FROM WHAT IT ORIGNALLY WAS.DON EXPOSED A LOT OF DOGMEN,AND DON WAS RIGHT I TOO WAS TOLD HE WAS A CRAZY OLDMAN THAT SMOKED WEED ALLDAY BUT DON WAS TELLING THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH

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ALOT IF THE FAKE PEDS CAME WHEN RALPH TOOK OVER THE ADBA WHEN HE LET PEOPLE REG THEIR DOGS ANY THEY WANTED TO,TO BIULD UP MEMBERSHIP. JIMMY BOOTS PED WAS CHANGE TOO FROM WHAT IT ORIGNALLY WAS.DON EXPOSED A LOT OF DOGMEN,AND DON WAS RIGHT I TOO WAS TOLD HE WAS A CRAZY OLDMAN THAT SMOKED WEED ALLDAY BUT DON WAS TELLING THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH

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I believe that also about allot of dogs.
Have personally many of dogs papers get changed as they go thru hands over the years.
Folks post pics of dogs & pups that look nothing like the dogs I've seen & when look @ peds can catch sometimes the one that got changed.
The only way to have the right papers is to breed your own dogs.
You can never guarantee what others did before you but you can what you put your name on.
You only know what you see.

Probably one of my favorite (controversial) threads here.

Bumping it up for some of you newer guys, there are some gold nuggets within.

Enjoy!
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