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Jack a man like you should leave the spelling thing as it is , thats for ignorend people. you know my spelling from way back in the late 90,s of the previus century.
when I stoot bij you giving you moral suport where the intire world was against you, and when you had to leave your home. no need to endors you words bij using my spelling against me thats low class Jack....
You have not been actif enoughf as a sportsman in such a way that you can claim!!. Nor whats the best way and you know it.. I NEVER CLAIMED that raw feeders have CRAP dogs. i ASKT if they have, , Thats a compleat diferend thing Jack . and to again endors your way ore words to tell the world about a show we had, is compleat idiotic and dangeres and desperate in order to stop me off ore redicule me!!. This is the same as putting it in the newspappers. And for the record in my return post to you. wat did my post said. It was a very tight inbred brood dog that needed to be chekt out i order to be qualified as sutch!. not even match worthy in way of being aworking stabderd dog. and no more worth then putting a crate of beer on so to speak.. so dont pretend that one bird in the sky makes a flock..AS I ALREDY TOLD YOU......IN PRIVATE..
In contrary to you and lots of others, Brood stock of this famely is strecht to the max. iven the very inbred bred brood dogs. And yes miner amounds is put on them in order to find out. People who do these individuals are not afreight to come out at the other end of the stick.. Having clear this up and sins you let this cat out of the bag, i sirguest that you never put anything private on this forum that should not be on there ,unless i do it myself. as in your pm you wrote that my fellow country man didnt whant to compromize my privacy!!!!. So why the Hell would YOU do that JACK.. The shear fact that HE shears his info with someone that hassend f.ck all to do with what happend shows a GREAT DEAL of being a ROOKY and not being very profesional himself altho he likes to pretend he thuse....
It also tell me that over the cours of the 20 years you have been involved with these dogs you havend learnd a lot about integrety eather in doing so what you did..at the same time you screw him over bij mentioning it as im sure he trusted you enoughf to tell you!!!......as he was told and aware to shut the f.. up
As for you having fed more dogs then we ever had. then thats good for you Jack .It mearly proves that we did someting right and better!. as our famely produced a hell of a lot more quality dogs yours ever did. like more then 35 ch 3 grch and 4 rom dogs from a famely that at any given time never had more then 20 /25 individuals including pups!. and as a famely being douwn twice to only 5 dogs..due to the dangeres doglaws that hit us back then.. At the same time we have only send out/sold a handfull of dogs and the last ones where 10 years ago ""we have no agenda in selling""... So i gues that makes us iven in the ""you ever had":". Departmend..
Are you realy that ignorend in belivieng you know more about feeding when you one arend iven close in feeding dogs as long as we do . how many dogs have you actualy conditiond! Jack. and have you done so the world over on varius contignends.!!. have YOU actualy traveld the world! conditioned and fed dogs in diferend geografic parts in the world at diferend altitutes with diferend water and feeds at hand??.. Have you ever left the two states you been in feeding your dogs Jack.
now About ""QUOTE Jack "" Because, in the end, the truth is those experienced dog men ... who DO continuously learn about about meds, nutrition, etc. ... make THE most knowledgeable dogmen of today ... NOT the ones who may have learned what a good dog looks like "years ago" ... but who stay in the dark ages on these other critical subjects ""end of quote..
I asume with those dogman who stay in the dark. you obviusly point to me. let me tell you someting. WE have ALWAYS been inovatif. when it comes to feeding and conditioning. and have steard away from those rediculess old way where people use 90 days to work there dogs for more then 5 hours a day.
yes WE where umongst them when we started out working 90 days and doing 3 1/2 hours of road work and 75 min of treadmill work.... Our feeding with suplemends and conditioning has been fine tunned to sutch a way. where no dog is workt longer then 42 days and peak work is no longer then a hour walk and no longer then a 50 min treadmill sesion!!. where work and feeding and sups are indiscriminate linkt together where one can not go without the other!, And where peak condition on a dog has a window of only 3 to 4 hours befor dropping of THATS FINE TUNNINMG JACK .like a race car engine.
have you ever heard of being able to conditioning and feeding a dog in sutch a way where you can beat a better dog ten your own bij prolonging his first wind in order to work on a down that hits the wall afther 25/30 min!!. being able to do the most significant work in those 5 to 10 min where your dog has alonger wind!. just like having 2 500 hp cars at the strip, where one has to shift at 5000 rpm and the other at 6000 rpm. taking a little lead at every shift!! yet they both have the same horshe power!!.. Ore force that better dog to go along and burn himself up!!?? PUSHING ITSELF IN THE RPM RED ZONE... sure you do NEED a working dog to do so. but thats fine tunnig Jack.
lots of people today stil dont realize that LESS CAN BE MORE. working a dog for 2 ore 3 days in a row and rest them!??. And where you can beat a better dog then your own when feeding conditioning and sups are tunned into one.. you whant to talk nutritien suplemends and conditioning, and lay it out on the table???. Im sure the people here whant to see how deep the rabbit holle is.. and whant to know what REAL understanding of it al is.. and how WE have aprotchst it in one of the most up to date ways to bring a dog in shape.. bij shortining the keep over the cours of 35 years and rely more on feeding and suplemends.
Last but not least. the gross of the dogs been seen the last 15 years. 15% of the dogs have lost on quality, the rest 85% lost on FEEDING and conditioning. NOT on quality.. thats how high the level of comp is in some parts of the world......let me give tyou a hint on modern day meds and sups you every heard of ANARESP...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darbepoetin_alfa .. about treadmend barbesia gibsony wellvone atovaquon +sandoz azitromycine 10 days oraly and its gone!!.. as a barbesia treadmend ecsept for gibsoni CARBESIA(not availeble in the USA). wich at the same time can be used as a VACSINATION to stop a dog from being infected. it works for 6 weeks and can be used preventif to your dog not getting Gibsoni!! when in the fields..... make sure you use that in your necst book ore video
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have you ever heard of being able to conditioning and feeding a dog in sutch a way where you can beat a better dog ten your own bij prolonging his first wind in order to work on a down that hits the wall afther 25/30 min!!. being able to do the most significant work in those 5 to 10 min where your dog has alonger wind!. just like having 2 500 hp cars at the strip, where one has to shift at 5000 rpm and the other at 6000 rpm. taking a little lead at every shift!! yet they both have the same horshe power!!.. Ore force that better dog to go along and burn himself up!!?? PUSHING ITSELF IN THE RPM RED ZONE... sure you do NEED a working dog to do so. but thats fine tunnig Jack.
lots of people today stil dont realize that LESS CAN BE MORE. working a dog for 2 ore 3 days in a row and rest them!??. And where you can beat a better dog then your own when feeding conditioning and sups are tunned into one.. you whant to talk nutritien suplemends and conditioning, and lay it out on the table???. Im sure the people here whant to see how deep the rabbit holle is.. and whant to know what REAL understanding of it al is.. and how WE have aprotchst it in one of the most up to date ways to bring a dog in shape.. bij shortining the keep over the cours of 35 years and rely more on feeding and suplemends.
Last but not least. the gross of the dogs been seen the last 15 years. 15% of the dogs have lost on quality, the rest 85% lost on FEEDING and conditioning. NOT on quality.. thats how high the level of comp is in some parts of the world......let me give tyou a hint on modern day meds and sups you every heard of ANARESP... copy/paste from Limey post.
We have been using this method for years. I just worded it a little differently. EWO
Exactly. Tapping back to another post it is a team sport. I like the athletic and smart game dog because then my conditioning efforts make a good contribution to the team. By him being athletic we can work him to be physically capable of handling the first wave. With his intelligence he will position himself to counter that first wave. The combination of the two will allow him to lay some pipe immediately after the first wave and continue to lay some pipe before the next. The athleticism and physicality after the first wave will decrease the height and strength of the second wave. This builds a lead. The secondary effect from this is the other dog grabs another gear to catch up. From there the amount of time his keep has made available to him in the beginning begins to decrease. He is somewhere really close to panic effort. Panic effort always burns more gas. The smart and athletic dog offsets this barrage as well. When the barrage fades that lead is increased and continues to increase as one dog fades and the athleticism (as well as the keep) takes over. The gap between the two widens with every passing minute. Credit seldom goes to this winning dog. Mostly because he did not bite shit in half at minute one. Partly because smarts and intelligence is always the underdog in comparison to mouth. When a dog uses smarts and intelligence to win there is always ten guys pit side with one at home that can beat him. If the destroyer mops the floor with one few have one for him. Just the way I have seen it. EWO
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I learned this method in the early mid to late 90's. The entire point of the keep is to go longer than the next guy, create separation by going when he breaks and recovering before he does. I have been doing the same basic feed plan since then. There have been changes and advances that I have implemented but lots of stuff that I went with the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" thought process. I agree feed and supplementation are key factors. But, I as well as a few others that were 'educated' in conditioning years ago by the same "old guy" feed very differently in the keep. One or two are out there with the latest and greatest. Another is stuck around 1980 feed/supplementation wise. I am somewhere in the middle. What we have in common (besides a good dog) is the keep.
I believe in good nutrition and good supplementation as a contributing factor but a good dog coming off a good keep is a high % winner even off corn flakes. (throw back to the other post). My point is that it takes everything to win at a high %. First and foremost it has to be a good dog. A great keep and a great feed plan will not make a good dog out of a bad one. It may hide him for a while but not very long.
I have always liked the Limey posts. I was a little slow to the internet concerning the dogs and one of the first things I ever read on the internet was the Limeys Tug story. I have always enjoyed the "Limey post". I do not always agree but enjoy the read nonetheless. We have been conditioning dogs this way for a number of years. Our dogs are fit and ready on the chain. We very seldom have a dog that needs a -pre-keep-. Our keep lasts 6 weeks as well and I am usually encouraged when I hear about the long work sessions by others. Good posts. EWO
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I agree EWO. When it comes to conditioning, I enjoy reading what Limey has to say..I understand exactly how he work his dogs because its very similar to how I work mine. I also enjoy yours too cause not a lot of people will risk keeping their dogs at pit weight or below, throughout the keep like we do
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Who's the one making news of it now? Thought the guy was respectful for a change, but you want to start throwing mud and making excuses? Just say so cause you're going to lose. Be a man and talk to the guy if you got a problem instead of typing on some board.
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Limey, why you always have to talk smack? I mean, you have an amazing ability to ramble on about nothing, and totally wander off-topic. In case you forgot, the topic is raw vs. kibble, and the incredibly silly things you said the first time you addressed me (when I never addressed you).
I don't have time to wander down the 10-dozen aimless paths you've gone down, at the moment, because I've spent what time I have tonight answering other topics/PMs, etc.
But I'll be back to have some fun here, probably Monday night. I have other stuff to do tonight, and then a busy weekend, and I just won't have the 2+ hours it will take to dissect your insanity and put it back together again correctly ... so enjoy this while it lasts ... but, remember, nothing you've said has changed the facts about raw vs. kibble.
Oh, and before I go, since you want to "go there," actually my family of dogs has over 400 wins, 50+ Champions, and at least 10 Grand Champions ... all compiled in less time than you've been in the game ... so (I hate to burst your bubble) but your numbers don't impress me at all ... especially since you've been in longer than I have :lol:
Jack
PS: And, BTW, my keep has produced more Champions and Grand Champions, all over the world, than yours ever has or ever will. You might want to read my testimonials before you type another word ;)
