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[IMG]http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com...res/161020.jpg[/IMG]Now that I've gone back and took a closer look at this litter's pedigree, it's not so bad after all. I like the way Ch Blonka dame's pedigree is put together and her sire is not so bad either. :cheers:
No, Bob Cox, as in Peeks & Cox' CH Sluggo. Bob Cox is also the man from whom Bobby and Skeet originally purchased CH Bad Billy.
I told you folks that Gentleman's Choice was involved with both the S&W dogs and breeding to CH Hammer simultaneously. The following pedigree is a result of him blending those 2 families of dogs which are in fact one. In essence, when you consider the true breeding behind CH Hammer, this is a 3/8ths Reuben bred dog. Also, be sure to click on the pedigree of the sire Bumper for a nice black and white photo. This exhibits the head shape and body type that was typical of these dogs without the CH Bad Billy blood infused.
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...hp?dog_id=7618
Here is a dog Kloos and I bred from the family in 1991, these were 50% Reuben dogs. Sometimes the traits took after the Heinzl blood in the pedigree, thus the brindle of CH Fox and this deadgame son of his Mad Sam. This principle is something I continue to emphasize over and over. Some of the straightest dogs that carry an ancestor's traits may have relatively little of the blood, and dogs with deep breeding on a certain dog may not have many of the traits whatsoever.
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...hp?dog_id=2562
CH Tuko was a classic CH Bad Billy-Reuben dog. Many, many of the dogs from he family had this look minus the ear crop.
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...hp?dog_id=7623
Excellent read! Many thanks to both Jack and TFX for taking the time to write all this out.
TFX, I have a question. Do you have any idea where I can get a couple of collars similar to the one that Bumper is wearing in that picture? I've searched and searched for some collars THAT wide, and everything I find comes up miserably short in quality.
Frosty,
I think you would have to make something like that. In my estimation, that thing is way too wide for working a dog. I like a 2" collar with a sheepskin fleece cover for working a dog, ala Don Mayfield. I always used one of those seatbelt covers over the collars and they work real fine.
Great stories and rundown, TFX, sorry I haven't been online much to comment.
I hope you don't mind, but I took the liberty of converting all of your pedigrees to this database :)
Cheers,
Jack
PS: As we have talked about, it would have been great to blend some of these core Reuben/Bad Billy-type dogs with Poncho and Missy (which are essentially Reuben/Hammer/Hollingsworth-type dogs). I think the Hollingsworth blood ads a certain rugged-durability that few other lines can match, which is also behind your Roto bitch.
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/g.../atcollar2.jpg
speaking about Mayfield collars, the above photo is from the guy known as gringopistolero in pitbull forums, student of Mayfield. The collar was given to him by his mentor.