Big, small, medium. It's All relative. What I consider big the next guy may consider small. But from what I'm used to those are good sized noggins. Didn't Realize ol poncho had it like that. Just Uploaded a new pic of Shady Lady.
Big, small, medium. It's All relative. What I consider big the next guy may consider small. But from what I'm used to those are good sized noggins. Didn't Realize ol poncho had it like that. Just Uploaded a new pic of Shady Lady.
Well, the Hollingsworth dogs all had truly massive heads, and it was not a biting line.Quote:
Originally Posted by wolverine
4 out of 7 of the hard-mouthed dogs you posted were average-sized (at best), and 2 of those were almost pin-headed and couldn't even be called average.
2 more were only average, and nowhere near "big-headed" at all.
The only dog (1 out of 7) that had anything passed an average-sized head was Banjo, and his head was not quite as as big as Poncho's, not IMO.
Jack
If shady lady and bad Rosemary have pin heads than 70% of the breed is below average. Which isn't possible. Half of the pics I see from the conformation shows look like whippets compared to those two.
All of the males had heads as big as poncho. Banjos looks bigger to me.
Lonzos dogs had pretty big heads. And they could bite. Alligator looked to have descent size head as well. In the end it doesent fucking matter. But all the dogs I listed had atleast an average sized head. I don't. Give a shit what anybody says.
Learn to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by wolverine
I said Shady had almost a pin head; I never called Bad Rosemary pin-headed.
Bad Rosemary has a very thick body, but a slightly-small head in comparison to her robust body. Rosemary's head is certainly not "big," not by a longshot.
Again, learn to read.Quote:
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I only said that about Shady, whose head not only isn't big, it's not even average. It's below average.
Now you're scrambling.Quote:
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We were talking about the hardest-biting dogs ever.
I made the statement that the hardest-biting dogs I have ever seen were a little on the average/thin-headed side. A little.
You came on here and listed 7 dogs and claimed their heads were "at least" average to slightly larger than average.
The FACT of the matter is, 6 out of 7 of the dogs you posted had average (to below average) head-size, exactly in line with what I said, while only 1 (Banjo) had a larger than average head.
You've essentially proven my point, not your own.
Boomer and Chinaman, no way in hell their heads were as large as Poncho's.Quote:
Originally Posted by wolverine
Zebo's might be comparable, they have a similar shape actually, although that third pic of him it looks pretty small.
We disagree on Banjo.
You're blind dude. Alligator was a big dog with a SLIM head, not a "decent-sized" head ...Quote:
Originally Posted by wolverine
Poncho's son, Gr Ch Zukill had a big head, MUCH wider than his neck, Alligator's head-size is slim compared that, proportionally.
If it doesn't matter, why are you getting so upset?Quote:
Originally Posted by wolverine
Your original argument was for BIG heads, so don't backstep down to "average" all of a sudden ;)Quote:
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I said that the hardest-mouthed dogs I have seen were average-headed, to slightly smaller than average, so if you want to (now) say that "the hardest-mouthed dogs are AVERAGE headed," you're essentially agreeing with me ;)
Jack
Eli Jr and Bullyson don't seem to have big heads either.
Boudreaux' Boss, his daughter Bulldog Ranch's Ch. Tuffy, Aries Kennels Poncho Sun and his littermate Ironson. They all had heads that impressed.
My reading comprehension skills are pretty on point. However I think you could probably follow some of your own advice. Considering I clearly said Chinaman had a smaller head. And I said the rest were at least what I consider average. If not slightly above. You also said boomer rose and shady all had below average heads origionally. And that poncho at a much bigger head than all of them proportionally. now you say zebos might be comparable. Which were some backpedals of your own. I don't think head size has any bearing on how well a dog will perform overall. However I do think that most dogs with heavy mouth have at least an average sized head. We are basically in agreement. I just feel it's average to slightly above. In most cases. And if zu kill had a big head it kinda goes toward proving that.
I don't care about the size of the dogs head. I don't have show dogs��
You started out saying Chinaman had a small head, then you said "all the dogs I mentioned had at least an average sized head. If not larger."Quote:
Originally Posted by wolverine
No, that's not what you said; THIS is what you said:Quote:
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Then I SHOWED YOU that Bad Rosemary's head was rather small compared to her neck and body, as was Shady Lady, who looked almost pin-headed to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by wolverine
There is no way anyone with eyes to see can call Shady "large-headed," but you did. (See 1st quote above, your words.)
Then you said,
I never called Bad Rosemary "pinheaded," so YES, your reading comprehension needs serious help. (I only said that about Shady.)Quote:
Originally Posted by wolverine
I will again re-quote myself about the rest, so maybe it can sink-in if you read it the second time:
I also said The Queen had an average head IMO, but certainly wasn't bucket-headed or exaggerated in her head size.
I said Zebo was also about average for a male.
We did agree that Banjo had a pretty good-sized nugget on him.
I stated Boomerang had an average (to slightly below-average) sized head on him, for a male, IMO. Again, there is no fogging way Boomer had a "large" head for a male.
And we also agree that Chinaman's head was somewhat smaller than average.
So again, for the slow, of the 7 hard-mouthed dogs you yourself just mentioned, only 1 (Banjo) had what could be called a "large" head for his size
2 (Zebo/Queen) had average-sized heads
and 4 (Boomer, Bad Rosemary, and especially Shady Lady, and Chinaman) had average to below-average sized heads.
Only 1 dog on your list had what could be described as a "large" head.
Is there anything about that you don't understand, or can twist in some way?
Once again, I never said Bad Rosemary was pin-headed.
You not only mis-quote me, you can't even remember what you say yourself.
And I still do say that, genius :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by wolverine
I agreed that Zebo had the same head SHAPE as Poncho, and one photo it looked comparable, and the rest not at all. In fact, here was your own backpedaling comment when you saw Poncho's head.Quote:
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Which was basically an, "Oh shit, I was wrong," statement.Quote:
Didn't Realize ol poncho had it like that.
Again, you have some serious comprehension issues.Quote:
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I did not say head size affects how a dog performs, so where are you pulling that new tangent out of? :confused:
The subject was BITING, not performance, they're two completely different subjects :idea:
You're like a broken record ... so let's just agree to disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by wolverine
My own position is that, in MOST cases, the truly hard-biting dogs are average to SLIGHTLY below-average in head-size, not average to "large-headed" dogs ...
Zukill was a finisher, not a freak-biter, which (again) is a completely different topic. He would go in the guts, and the throat, and had FREAK BODY & NECK STRENGTH (not freak mouth).Quote:
Originally Posted by wolverine
Stormbringer also had a larger-than-average noggin, but again he was not a "freak biter," what he had was also FREAK BODY & NECK STRENGTH and was a finisher in the throat. And I think finish + body/neck strength are more important traits than mouth.
Hope this clarifies,
Jack