I have nothing to argue about! As long as I'm the one doing the work, it's a "my way or the highway" situation! It seems to me that some consider pirating as a form of free speech! You have got to be joking...
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I have nothing to argue about! As long as I'm the one doing the work, it's a "my way or the highway" situation! It seems to me that some consider pirating as a form of free speech! You have got to be joking...
"ignorance is bliss"Quote:
Originally Posted by CA Jack
And a piece of shit is a piece of shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Old Timer.
And guess what else smartass: when you pay me the remainder of what you owe me "for all my books," you can get your privileges back here :idea:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Old Timer.
Jack
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Originally Posted by SDJ2010
Your way or highway? you think that is the posture of someone who offer and sell a product or a service? Do you think the piracy is my problem if i pay to you and dont disrespect your work? No is not..its YOUR PROBLEM... my problem is to get for what i have payed for. Now that i wrote in a forum is when you want to answer but when i write to you by email you care a fuck right?
Let's try to keep it cleaner than this, okay?Quote:
Originally Posted by eneas
Are you still able get, and read, the SDJ in "some" format?
Jack
is not so simple..for example.... you go to blockbuster and rent a bluray movie and when you get home you realize that is not an HD and is not bluray, but you are still able to watch the movie.Quote:
Originally Posted by CA Jack
It is not what people pay for..before i pay the subscription he offer me a pdf version or a printed version...anyway with those two options ill get the magazine and i will be able to open it, read it, copy, move it or whatever i want (not talking about piracy) in an easy way. Now i have to get a code and have an internet conecction to be able to read it...beside it is unconfortable now..it is not like read it in PDF....is compleatly diferent and i have the right to complain because that is not what i buyed....
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Originally Posted by eneas
You didn't really answer the question though: are you still able to read the SDJ in some way, or not?
I understand what you're saying, it's less convenient than before, but can you still read it in some fashion or not?
Jack
Of course i can but like you say is less conveniente....and i still pay the same..he deteriorated what initialy offer me and sold me...he should offer that service for the new costumers and respect the ones who pay for the PDF...then is up to you if renew or not when your subscription end...that is ethical way not the "its my way or is highway"...what a F,,,is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by CA Jack
i used to read the SDJ pdf when i was at work on my down time..... but because theres no net connection @ my job, theres no way of doing so now......i personally like the printable version better anyways
is simple...he is harming loyal customers to prevent his piracy problems.
harm is a big word, lol but definately stepping on toes..... what im curious to know is what is he considering pirating? is it file sharing or are is it being copied & resold?? there is a difference.....
It helps if everyone tries to understand everyone else's perspective :idea:Quote:
Originally Posted by eneas
I know you want everyone to understand "your" perspective, but your interests aren't the only ones at stake here :idea:
As a purveyor of information myself, it gets hard watching people copy and steal my work.
Understand this fact: anyone who takes the time to put out a magazine, or a book, or whatever, is usually a cut above the average person, who never lifts a finger to do anything.
Try to imagine spending days, weeks, months, and/or (in some cases) YEARS putting together information ... only to have some bozo "copy-n-paste" your hard work, and then offer it up for sale, for less!
It kinda takes away the motivation to go through all of that bullshit ... only to have it stolen by the click of a mouse.
Therefore, a creator is either going to do something to protect his work, or he is going to stop creating and save himself the aggravation.
Therefore, while you want everyone to understand "your" perspective, sometimes it is helpful to understand the other guy's perspective.
It's not all about you; other people's interests are important too :idea:
Let's face it: people take the time to put together magazines, books, etc. for 3 basic reasons: interest/passion; creative expression; profit.
Back in the days of purely physical books, you either bought the book or you didn't have the information. This means the author always got paid.
Nowadays, you can (literally) take 2 years of a guy's work and effort and right-click his info and dispense it to other people.
So get over yourself, and your $30, and think about it from A CREATOR'S perspective!!
There is more at stake here than just "your convenience" ... there's an assload of somebody else's time, effort, and rights that need to be protected ... that is worth a whole lot more than a measly $30.
I mean, suppose you boycott the guy ... or me ... or whomever ... and you send him, or me, or whomever into bankruptcy ... then what?
NO MORE MAGAZINES. NO MORE BOOKS. NO MORE DATABASES.
Is that really what you want?
The truth is, if people keep pirating other people's work, and if every time THE CREATORS OF THE WORLD try to adjust things to protect themselves ... if every customer becomes a boo-hoo crybaby ... and "refuses to buy" anymore ... is it really a "good" thing to ruin AND HAVE NO MORE creative people in this world?
I don't think so.
Therefore, all things considered, you might be better-served to be more UNDERSTANDING of a man's plight, and less "demanding," and try to work with and HELP the creative people of this world ... rather than to burn them and boycott them every time every wish of yours isn't granted.
On my end, I know there isn't a single person on the face of this earth ... who "pirated" my books, or who "scanned copies" of my DVDs, etc. ... who can kiss my ass as an author, breeder, or source of information on the subject of these dogs.
And yet there still are broke-dick, crumb-grabbing pieces of shit will pay "some thief" less money for my work than they will to reward ME for MY efforts in learning, creating, and amassing the colossal amount of effort/materials it took to create my books, DVDs, etc. Makes me want to kill somebody, actually, but instead all I can do is keep rolling and hope there are enough honest people in this world who pay ME for MY work, rather than "someone else" for not doing shit besides stealing it.
IMO, those people who cry "boo-hoo" (or who buy from thieves) are, ultimately, shooting themselves in the foot by their actions.
They're taking all the motivation away from truly creative people to BE creative :idea:
Do you have any idea what it takes to create a book or a magazine from scratch (as opposed to right-clicking)?
How would you like to spend $1,000 on Adobe In-Design, spend months creating and publishing a body of work, design a website to make it available and offer it up for sale ... only to have some asshole pirate that effort, spend no money (and make no effort) himself, and yet be able to profit by selling YOUR work online, thanks to a right-click?
Think that might piss you off?
Think you might want to protect yourself from that happening to you?
Or would you just quit and say, "Why bother?"
I know I damned sure don't like it when it happens to me.
The truth is, most people are pieces of unthinking shit.
They "want everything" but they give (and understand) nothing.
Just because most people are like that, doesn't mean you have to join that club :idea:
You can actually choose to join a different club, the club of people who try to understand another man's plight, another man's perspective, and who APPRECIATE honest effort and hard work.
You can choose to realize that, hey, here is some guy trying to put out a magazine ... and you can choose to understand WHY he's protecting himself ... and not let it bother you that much.
If you really think about all that's involved, you might conclude that you would do the same thing yourself ... to protect your own efforts ... if "you" put all that hard work into something :idea:
Jack
im been demanding not because i want...the fact is that i tryed to argue with SDJ by email and till now nothing...he just dont answer...so, what can i do?Quote:
Originally Posted by CA Jack
Its not all about me but the fact is that i was which came out injured not him...he just said.."my way or highway"
he put time and efford in his work but he also sold that work so that is a bussiness and like in every bussines you have to respect the customers and keep your word. he is not doing a favor to me, he is selling a product.
Im not boycott nobody, im just saying the true...if i would be saying lies, thats a different history. And this have nothing to do with the database, i dont know what are you trying to say...so you mean that if y bother your friend ill be baned from the database...so you are threatening me? jajajajajaja....the SDJ have nothing to do with my database subscription but if yoy want to baned me go ahead...the good thing is that at the end this is a goos experiencie to know better people...and like SDJ i have my ways too....
do what you want
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Originally Posted by eneas
Huh? I am not threatening you.
How did you get that out of what I said?
You are proving yourself to be very irrational.
You either don't have enough intelligence (or understanding of English) for me to bother communicating with you any further.
Jack
NO MORE MAGAZINES. NO MORE BOOKS. NO MORE DATABASES.
Is that really what you want?
Dont you wrote this???? so...maybe my english isnt perfect but im not stupid. Do i have payed any database to SDJ?
Simple SDJ refund my money as yoy said before, i do not want deal with you anymore.
You simply don't understand English well enough for me to bother trying to communicate with you anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by eneas
Maybe you can cut-and-paste what I wrote in some translation engine, but (no) that isn't a threat.
Jack
perfect...if isnt a threat and my english isnt enough to comunicate with you that let you out of the discution.
Thanks for your comments.
Let me out of the discussion? Now you're starting to piss me off.Quote:
Originally Posted by eneas
You've made your case, and now it's time for you to shut up or take this private.
You will not be mouthing off to me in my world.
And, yes, that is a warning.
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Originally Posted by eneas
I think Jack was saying he was tired of trying to get you to understand what he was saying. Not tried of you on the forum.
NO MORE MAGAZINES. NO MORE BOOKS. NO MORE DATABASES.Quote:
Originally Posted by loot
Is that really what you want?
this is what he wrote...
Eneas you are an idiot, he said what happens when the writers creators no longer give information then we will have no books no magazines no databases. Then we just have the dumbasses left, like you who cannot give a quarter of what you are asking.
well those writer or creator are not working for free...they sell their products so that is a bussines and as a custumer i have the right to complain when think It is not fair. Dont put the things as if SDJ is making a favor...he sell and we pay. If you do your thing for free you have the right to do whatever you want but in the moment you sell to someone then you have an ethical obligation.
About the CJ post that was what i I understood...maybe i read too fast.....
Eneas you have made your point. The thread on peds had a lot of views. So don't worry with these people's comments. You wanted people aware of the new policy and they are. Thank you for pointing it out.
You ought to worry about my GD comments on the previous page, more than Eneas' crybaby boo-hooing, quite frankly.Quote:
Originally Posted by dpitbull
If you make it too hard for creative people to both create their work ... AND protect it ... and if you bitch, cry, and moan more than you learn to appreciate the efforts of those who try to produce a good product ... you will have nothing to read or enjoy ultimately.
Jack
seems like in here if you bother some people you are in troubles...Stop with this about "creative people", at the end the are selling and making money soy they have an obligation with costumers...this part you dont read it CJ right? you just read what you want and answere what you want...trying to painting these "creatives" like brave givers who make enormous sacrifices for us....pleaseeee....if i pay to you, you better keep your word. And indeed english isnt my first lenguage so i apologize if some words i have misundestood...my fault...but i think my idea is pretty clear...you can belive wahtever you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by CA Jack
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No, you need to stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by eneas
You've made your point, and you're too stupid to understand my point.
I have asked you to stop repeating yourself. Now I am telling you: SHUT UP and move on. This thread is over.
If you babble one more word on this subject, I am giving you the boot.
Comprendes?
Jack
I hadn't read all the post on this thread. I just know that there is no sense in arguing over something for this many pages. The point was made on the first page of the thread. I paid for any issues I received of the SDJ as well as the copy of your book. I agree if people can't make money they won't go through the trouble of trying to put out content. On the flip side people have the right to get what they pay for. I was simply trying to put the thread to bed. At the end of the day if you don't have someone with real experience in these dogs to help guide you all the books in the world won't save you. Reading and comprehending are two different things.Quote:
Originally Posted by CA Jack
dpitbull,Quote:
Originally Posted by dpitbull
With over 2,000 members subscribed to this site I hardly think 70 comments is to many pages of arguing, as you call it. Especially if there are members who didn't get it on page #1 and who will likely not get it if the debate made it to page #100.
And just in case you are unaware, the moderators are the only ones who make the decision to close a thread.
I think Jack has brought up many good points as to why changes are necessary to be not only successful in your plight, but to protect the work you have painstakingly put together.
Yes, you get what you pay for, and if you are spending your hard earned dollar to the SDJ, and several knuckleheads are bootlegging it for 1/3 of the cost that should bother you as well.
You would think any normal rational person would get that?
S_B
Hope this clears up the misunderstanding My response is in bold red inside the quote boxQuote:
Originally Posted by S_B
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Originally Posted by dpitbull
No, there's no misunderstanding: you've very clearly announced that you're one of the lowlifes that would pay a thief less, and rob a creator of his just profit for all his work in making the creation to begin with ... because you'd buy the bootleg for cheap, and reward a thief for a right-click of a mouse, rather than pay the full price to the man who's rightfully-owed his profit for his real time + efforts.
Jack
Where did I announce this? If you don't mind post a quote where I said anything about buying a counterfeit copy of anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by CA Jack
Read what you wrote, in bold-italicized red, that I highlighted in my post.
I dont blame the Journal, he warned everyone he would take the steps to stop the piarcy and people continued to give away his work. To me its that simple he warned some did nt listen cut and dry. Yis Ole Man
"Yes, you get what you pay for, and if you are spending your hard earned dollar to the SDJ, and several knuckleheads are bootlegging it for 1/3 of the cost that should bother you as well."
"I agree with this as well. I definitely don't want to pay for something that is being given out for free."
That in no way shape or form says I would buy a counterfeit copy of anything.
My mistake, then, and good for you.
Just understand that the way it was worded could be construed as "you don't want to pay for something" (the true author's price) "that is being given out for free" (by a bootlegger) ...
Jack
I agree it could be misconstrued. I was speaking in generality and when you do that it leaves things open for interpretation.
Well, communication is everything, and from a linguistic and logical point of view (which is what I have my degree in) that is pretty much exactly what that sentence says.
Just so you know,
Jack
dpitbull,
Dissecting your post was not my intention, I merely wanted to get across the point that with so many members, a debate such as this is a healthy one. Even if it occupies 100 pages.
Everyone else:
Most people aren't going to realize the scope of what this discussion entails.
And this can be applied to more than just the Journal or work Jack has created.
Imagine a person who you trusted snuck into your yard while you were away, and backed their bitch up to your best stud, then peddled off those pups.
I can't even express how angry I would be without some colorful language, this is essentially the same thing....a thief is a thief is a thief PERIOD.