does breeding affect performance?

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Originally Posted by OGDOGG

I have experience with this situation before. It could affect the male right away after he just got done breeding but if he is well rested then no. It won't affect him. I used to breed one of my male every time he won a contest. That was his prize for winning. It didn't affect him whatsoever. On the other hand my ex partner had a male who became a champion after so many miles of being in the pit, then was retired to be bred. Once that dog started breeding he was obsessed with getting off. Well ex partner decided to take him out for his 4th against a young dog and had me c/h him. After a couple weeks in I noticed his champion jacking off everyday. I told him about it and tried desperately to have him pay the forfeit but he wouldnt listen. So come show time, that champion had a cotton mouth and wouldnt fight. He got doa in half an hour. His Kidneys shut down and his whole body just swoll up within minutes. So yes it could affect a dog. I also used to work male dogs while they're supposedly be breeding and it does affect them when I tried to breed them. Their urge is not all there after a walk or workout. Those are just my experiences. Not saying it'll affect every dog.

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I am sorry, but if that dog's body swelled-up and his kidneys shut down it had nothing to do with his "masturbation," it had to do with his getting bit and killed while no one picked him up.

Masturbation does not cause "kidney failure" or "body swelling" ...

Jack

I know that wasn't the cause. Just stating what happened to a dog who went through a keep masterbating every day. He obviously wasn't in the right mind to begin with. It was a tragic his owner didn't throw in the towel either. I guess that's why he called himself Leave em Dead kennel.
"thx for the responses but i don't understand how a dog jacks off like ogdog said" if you haven't seen a male dog jack off then wait til you see one, its pretty nasty.

Did either you or your partner bother to look at the dog before you set him up for his last show?

If any dog, male or female, has an extended lay off, it should always have a tune up of some sort to knock the rust off the animal.

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Originally Posted by FrostyPaws

Did either you or your partner bother to look at the dog before you set him up for his last show?

If any dog, male or female, has an extended lay off, it should always have a tune up of some sort to knock the rust off the animal.

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It wasn't a long layoff. He had a little over a year off. This dog was a smart dog who had a rock solid built. His first bite will usually be on top of the muzzle and it'll pretty much be the end of their mouth. Then he'll doa them with head bites and ear holds. He was a 3xw,3xw(OTC),1xd,1xldg. So 8x in the box, he (dog)knew and some of us knew it was time for him to retire. All of his keeps were exactly the same. So yes I believe it was because he masterbated too much. His body wasn't as solid like before, his mouth got soft, and his mind was on getting off.

A year off is a long time especially if the dog is being bred regularly. I'm not disputing whether it was time for the dog to retire as that is something I'm not privy to so I believe you. Personally, I never would set a dog up for a deal after being off for longer than a year without knocking the rust off the dog to see where he's at both physically and mentally. That way you alleviate the guess work from the process.

Just think about a human fighter: they spar and train to stay sharp. I understand the differences, but human fighters don't just exercise before a fight, they also spar.

So, while because dogs putting holes in each other limits the number of times you can set them down, I agree that a tune-up bump is a wise move for any dog before his keep (notice the word bump, not roll).

Yes he was bumped. The dog will go and do his thing. He got doa under :30 but his opponent also died 2 days later. And the other dogs owner isn't a newbe. He's a respected dogman in this game. It sounds like y'all trying to put the blame on other than breeding before a match. But I truly believe it is that.

LOL.....Not to be a smart ass, but it sounds like you had a hell of a dog and he ran into another HELLUVA dog!

I was watching a 4xw go for his Gr Ch. He was picked up aroun 40 as things weren't going his way. The owner said, "There's something wrong. It's like he's 'off'". The other gentlemen said, "It's probably got something to do with that dog hanging off the side of his head."

It could've been a situation just like that.

My experience has showed me that breeding during a keep can and weaken a male dog. I boxed competitively and competed in other contact sports.... And yes I believe breeding/sex weaken the rear end of a male, canine or otherwise. Some dogs can over come this and some can not, but the dog is weaker. I would say if you breed less than 7 days away from show time, your not looking at the best interest of the dog. ( male dogs specifically)

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Originally Posted by No Quarter Kennel

LOL.....Not to be a smart ass, but it sounds like you had a hell of a dog and he ran into another HELLUVA dog!

I was watching a 4xw go for his Gr Ch. He was picked up aroun 40 as things weren't going his way. The owner said, "There's something wrong. It's like he's 'off'". The other gentlemen said, "It's probably got something to do with that dog hanging off the side of his head."

It could've been a situation just like that.

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No doubt about that. I'm not taking anything away from the other dog. The other dog was a bad ass young dog and would've won even if ours was in his prime. But he wouldn't of won that easily if ours was in his right mind. What some people don't understand is that when you lose so much sperm per day, everyday, you're gonna be weak and your body get soft. So yes it does affect the dog. Hey if you don't think it'll affect you then have sex everyday or if you don't have a gf or wifey then do what that dog does and jack off everyday for 6 weeks and you'll find out. You don't even have to fight, your body will llet you know what's up.